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		<title>By: My sense &#124; HunRoom</title>
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		<dc:creator>My sense &#124; HunRoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My Sense of Entitlement &#124; BooksquareA recent meme in publishing is that some readers are exhibiting a sense of entitlement about buying ebooks. I&#039;d like to humbly offer myself &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My Sense of Entitlement | BooksquareA recent meme in publishing is that some readers are exhibiting a sense of entitlement about buying ebooks. I&#039;d like to humbly offer myself &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clive Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears to me, Kassia, that you are taking Amazon&#039;s corner.  The same Amazon that just paid $300,000 to Booklocker in settlement of the &quot;Buy Button&quot; dispute. (And that&#039;s a landmark in its way, but it has not resolved the issue, legally speaking.)

Naturally since I own a small press you&#039;d expect me to support the publishers stance on this, i.e. The &quot;Agency Model&quot; and in fact, I do; but for the reasons that, first, Amazon is using the 9.99 EBook as a predatory pricing method to corner the market and control EBook revenue.
and secondly, Kassia, do you really think the Britannica should sell for 9.99 as an EBook? Or, say, (any specialised how-to out of many that sell for very large sums to a very small market); and many other examples of why an EBook&#039;s price should not be limited to a set maximum. 
Third, and such limit is a limit on trade and should not be countenanced any more than a minimum price should be countenanced. If people want to give an EBook away free, well fine, let them.  How could you stop them anyway? Impossible.
Fourth, the very concept of a maximum price limit is inconsistent with the fact that there are many third party sellers on Amazon who charge more, sometimes ludicrously more, for an item freely available at Amazon&#039;s usual discount price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to me, Kassia, that you are taking Amazon&#8217;s corner.  The same Amazon that just paid $300,000 to Booklocker in settlement of the &#8220;Buy Button&#8221; dispute. (And that&#8217;s a landmark in its way, but it has not resolved the issue, legally speaking.)</p>
<p>Naturally since I own a small press you&#8217;d expect me to support the publishers stance on this, i.e. The &#8220;Agency Model&#8221; and in fact, I do; but for the reasons that, first, Amazon is using the 9.99 EBook as a predatory pricing method to corner the market and control EBook revenue.<br />
and secondly, Kassia, do you really think the Britannica should sell for 9.99 as an EBook? Or, say, (any specialised how-to out of many that sell for very large sums to a very small market); and many other examples of why an EBook&#8217;s price should not be limited to a set maximum.<br />
Third, and such limit is a limit on trade and should not be countenanced any more than a minimum price should be countenanced. If people want to give an EBook away free, well fine, let them.  How could you stop them anyway? Impossible.<br />
Fourth, the very concept of a maximum price limit is inconsistent with the fact that there are many third party sellers on Amazon who charge more, sometimes ludicrously more, for an item freely available at Amazon&#8217;s usual discount price.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only kind of entitlement that bugs the hell out of me, is when a reader thinks they should get to read everything for free and artists shouldn&#039;t get paid cause they do creative work instead of boring work in a cubicle (whose choice was that?) Many don&#039;t realize that most writers do boring work in a cubicle PLUS do the hard work of writing.

If a reader&#039;s only major sense of entitlement toward me and my work is wanting it in ebook and at a reasonable price. Then step right up folks, I got your nice shiny for $2.99 right here.

As for different formats released at diff times, I&#039;m doing ebook first, then print release, but we&#039;re talking maybe a 6 week window. As an indie it&#039;s a lot easier to get E taken care of and out the door, and then worry about all the print headaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only kind of entitlement that bugs the hell out of me, is when a reader thinks they should get to read everything for free and artists shouldn&#8217;t get paid cause they do creative work instead of boring work in a cubicle (whose choice was that?) Many don&#8217;t realize that most writers do boring work in a cubicle PLUS do the hard work of writing.</p>
<p>If a reader&#8217;s only major sense of entitlement toward me and my work is wanting it in ebook and at a reasonable price. Then step right up folks, I got your nice shiny for $2.99 right here.</p>
<p>As for different formats released at diff times, I&#8217;m doing ebook first, then print release, but we&#8217;re talking maybe a 6 week window. As an indie it&#8217;s a lot easier to get E taken care of and out the door, and then worry about all the print headaches.</p>
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		<title>By: April L. Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/my-sense-of-entitlement/comment-page-1/#comment-171579</link>
		<dc:creator>April L. Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it weren&#039;t for all those pesky readers, maybe trade publishing could solve this ebook problem once and for all, eh?  ;&#039;)

But seriously, a great post and one you already know echoes my own sentiments. People at the helm have clearly forgotten what it&#039;s like to be a &quot;mere&quot; reader who actually selects and pays for reading material based on personal tastes, marketing, recommendations, AND budgetary considerations. Seems most of them behave like insiders who read free-of-charge ARCs mostly reactively, based on which upcoming titles stand to compete with their own house&#039;s list, have been deemed &quot;must reads&quot; within the industry before they&#039;ve even hit the street, or have originated from colleagues and industry friends with whom one must be prepared to converse about the books in question with some intelligence the next time paths cross. Price is an abstract, non-impactful concept when one moves in such circles.

Publishers must overcome this tunnel vision if they ever expect to understand their customers. And by &quot;customers&quot; I mean readers, NOT booksellers. Maybe they should start spending some quality time lurking on reader communities like Shelfari, Goodreads and the Amazon forums---with a willingness to hear what their customers are saying and accept it as valid. 

As I&#039;ve said before, if the customer perceives your product is too expensive and therefore decides not to buy it, it IS too expensive. You can&#039;t talk consumers into paying more just because the seller thinks a given product is worth more than what the market will bear. You can&#039;t guilt or bully them into it, either. You CAN bully consumers into boycotting your products however, as publishers are learning the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it weren&#8217;t for all those pesky readers, maybe trade publishing could solve this ebook problem once and for all, eh?  ;&#8217;)</p>
<p>But seriously, a great post and one you already know echoes my own sentiments. People at the helm have clearly forgotten what it&#8217;s like to be a &#8220;mere&#8221; reader who actually selects and pays for reading material based on personal tastes, marketing, recommendations, AND budgetary considerations. Seems most of them behave like insiders who read free-of-charge ARCs mostly reactively, based on which upcoming titles stand to compete with their own house&#8217;s list, have been deemed &#8220;must reads&#8221; within the industry before they&#8217;ve even hit the street, or have originated from colleagues and industry friends with whom one must be prepared to converse about the books in question with some intelligence the next time paths cross. Price is an abstract, non-impactful concept when one moves in such circles.</p>
<p>Publishers must overcome this tunnel vision if they ever expect to understand their customers. And by &#8220;customers&#8221; I mean readers, NOT booksellers. Maybe they should start spending some quality time lurking on reader communities like Shelfari, Goodreads and the Amazon forums&#8212;with a willingness to hear what their customers are saying and accept it as valid. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, if the customer perceives your product is too expensive and therefore decides not to buy it, it IS too expensive. You can&#8217;t talk consumers into paying more just because the seller thinks a given product is worth more than what the market will bear. You can&#8217;t guilt or bully them into it, either. You CAN bully consumers into boycotting your products however, as publishers are learning the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: JulieW8</title>
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		<dc:creator>JulieW8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care if the e-book formats are released at the same time or later than paperback formats. What frosts me is that e-books are being prices somewhere between paperback and hardback, with authors and publishers crying about how everyone wants to pay less for e-books.

Well - why shouldn&#039;t I expect to pay less? They have no printing costs and distribution costs aren&#039;t as much. There are no chargebacks, no returns. I have nothing tangible. I cannot take it to the used book store and get another one for a small fee.

I can only store so many digital copies. They&#039;ve made it fairly difficult to transfer or even stores some formats. And unless someone comes up with a used e-book store, at some point I&#039;m going to start deleting what I&#039;ve got to make room for more.

All of which makes it difficult for me to justify paying the prices being charged. Yes, I have an ebook reader (not Kindle). Yes I have Stanza on my iPhone. But unless the price of ebooks comes down significantly, the ebook reader may just be an expensive gadget I bought and the iPhone will go back to what it was doing before I put books on it - and I&#039;ll go back to the used book store.

I love the convenience of being able to carry multiple books around on an electronic device - but not at this cost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care if the e-book formats are released at the same time or later than paperback formats. What frosts me is that e-books are being prices somewhere between paperback and hardback, with authors and publishers crying about how everyone wants to pay less for e-books.</p>
<p>Well &#8211; why shouldn&#8217;t I expect to pay less? They have no printing costs and distribution costs aren&#8217;t as much. There are no chargebacks, no returns. I have nothing tangible. I cannot take it to the used book store and get another one for a small fee.</p>
<p>I can only store so many digital copies. They&#8217;ve made it fairly difficult to transfer or even stores some formats. And unless someone comes up with a used e-book store, at some point I&#8217;m going to start deleting what I&#8217;ve got to make room for more.</p>
<p>All of which makes it difficult for me to justify paying the prices being charged. Yes, I have an ebook reader (not Kindle). Yes I have Stanza on my iPhone. But unless the price of ebooks comes down significantly, the ebook reader may just be an expensive gadget I bought and the iPhone will go back to what it was doing before I put books on it &#8211; and I&#8217;ll go back to the used book store.</p>
<p>I love the convenience of being able to carry multiple books around on an electronic device &#8211; but not at this cost!</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anne -- As far as I know, there are no definitive numbers, but that is as much a factor of a nascent market as it is just plain hard to quantify. I know a few companies are finding the data surrounding ebooks to be more solid, so this question may be answered (somewhat) in the coming year. Based on anecdotal evidence, it really depends on the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anne &#8212; As far as I know, there are no definitive numbers, but that is as much a factor of a nascent market as it is just plain hard to quantify. I know a few companies are finding the data surrounding ebooks to be more solid, so this question may be answered (somewhat) in the coming year. Based on anecdotal evidence, it really depends on the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Wayman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Wayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kassia does an  ebook with a no questions asked guarantee make it easier to spend more? Are there any stats on ebook to hard copy coversion? I&#039;ve always felt about half my ebook buyers buy the hardback too, but I can&#039;t prove it because of the way I published way back when.

Thanks for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kassia does an  ebook with a no questions asked guarantee make it easier to spend more? Are there any stats on ebook to hard copy coversion? I&#8217;ve always felt about half my ebook buyers buy the hardback too, but I can&#8217;t prove it because of the way I published way back when.</p>
<p>Thanks for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Roman forum to Parisian bookstall, vendors have hawked the latest and hottest for whatever they could get, and yet your colleagues are arguing over whether the customer is always right? Oldtime merchants and had a big sign in their office: &quot;Give the Lady What She Wants!&quot; It works. Do we expect varying levels of movie ticket prices based on Star Power? No, there&#039;s a standard price for movie tickets. So Amazon got it right again: $9.99 . Its psychologically correct. What&#039;s amazing is that they&#039;re aLL  MISSING the key factor: people want a quick eBook and then a discount on the print version to keep... yet nobody&#039;s doing it!!  Isn&#039;t there anyone in this giant industry who can pull everyone together with a simple standard? If Europe could come together and adopt the Euro, the publishing industry should be able to adopt a simple system to allow eBook buyers to pick up a hard copy of the same book at a discount.  That would get a few warm bodies into the bookstores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Roman forum to Parisian bookstall, vendors have hawked the latest and hottest for whatever they could get, and yet your colleagues are arguing over whether the customer is always right? Oldtime merchants and had a big sign in their office: &#8220;Give the Lady What She Wants!&#8221; It works. Do we expect varying levels of movie ticket prices based on Star Power? No, there&#8217;s a standard price for movie tickets. So Amazon got it right again: $9.99 . Its psychologically correct. What&#8217;s amazing is that they&#8217;re aLL  MISSING the key factor: people want a quick eBook and then a discount on the print version to keep&#8230; yet nobody&#8217;s doing it!!  Isn&#8217;t there anyone in this giant industry who can pull everyone together with a simple standard? If Europe could come together and adopt the Euro, the publishing industry should be able to adopt a simple system to allow eBook buyers to pick up a hard copy of the same book at a discount.  That would get a few warm bodies into the bookstores.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rich --  I think the price ceiling set in the minds of ebook readers comes as much from Amazon&#039;s effective marketing as it does an entire slew of consumer perceptions about the medium. Poor production quality (oh hey, encountered more bad formatting from a major publisher today!), loss of ephemera (covers, blurbs), disregard for the actual reading experience (but hey, I know every Penguin office worldwide!), lack of portability, loss of first sale rights. 

I think the industry underestimates the consumer awareness of these issues. I think the consumer is far more sensitive, if only on a sub-conscious level, than most of us realize. This the third or fourth digital transition for most people. The transitory nature of the media alone gives one pause. I cannot be certain my media will survive the decade. It&#039;s a trade-off I accept because I want to read in the way that makes me happiest, but it&#039;s a trade-off I mentally factor into price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rich &#8212;  I think the price ceiling set in the minds of ebook readers comes as much from Amazon&#8217;s effective marketing as it does an entire slew of consumer perceptions about the medium. Poor production quality (oh hey, encountered more bad formatting from a major publisher today!), loss of ephemera (covers, blurbs), disregard for the actual reading experience (but hey, I know every Penguin office worldwide!), lack of portability, loss of first sale rights. </p>
<p>I think the industry underestimates the consumer awareness of these issues. I think the consumer is far more sensitive, if only on a sub-conscious level, than most of us realize. This the third or fourth digital transition for most people. The transitory nature of the media alone gives one pause. I cannot be certain my media will survive the decade. It&#8217;s a trade-off I accept because I want to read in the way that makes me happiest, but it&#8217;s a trade-off I mentally factor into price.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@L -- you raise a tough point. I personally believe all customers should be treated equal. I also understand the crazy economics of book publishing, and realize it&#039;s a tougher sell than it should be. The simple truth is that hardcover makes more money for the publisher than mass market. Prior to the agency model, the ebook was more profitable than the hardcover because the per unit production costs were eliminated (editorial, marketing, etc) remained the same. I suspect the numbers for the agency model result in a reasonable return for publishers. 

I am not sure how to fix this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@L &#8212; you raise a tough point. I personally believe all customers should be treated equal. I also understand the crazy economics of book publishing, and realize it&#8217;s a tougher sell than it should be. The simple truth is that hardcover makes more money for the publisher than mass market. Prior to the agency model, the ebook was more profitable than the hardcover because the per unit production costs were eliminated (editorial, marketing, etc) remained the same. I suspect the numbers for the agency model result in a reasonable return for publishers. </p>
<p>I am not sure how to fix this.</p>
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