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		<title>By: Susan Helene Gottfried</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Helene Gottfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 19:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Joe. Come hang out with us nuts, why don&#039;t you. We could use a  male influence!

As long as it&#039;s fun, I&#039;ll keep doing it. More than a year into it, it&#039;s more fun than I ever expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Joe. Come hang out with us nuts, why don&#8217;t you. We could use a  male influence!</p>
<p>As long as it&#8217;s fun, I&#8217;ll keep doing it. More than a year into it, it&#8217;s more fun than I ever expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Wikert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Wikert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kazzia -- I think we&#039;re saying the same thing, or something fairly close to it.  I&#039;m just trying to point out that when we look back in 5 or 10 years, I truly hope we&#039;ll chuckle at where the community levels are then in comparison to where they are today.

Susan -- kudos to you for building such a vibrant and popular book-centric blog -- keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kazzia &#8212; I think we&#8217;re saying the same thing, or something fairly close to it.  I&#8217;m just trying to point out that when we look back in 5 or 10 years, I truly hope we&#8217;ll chuckle at where the community levels are then in comparison to where they are today.</p>
<p>Susan &#8212; kudos to you for building such a vibrant and popular book-centric blog &#8212; keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Helene Gottfried</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Helene Gottfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of more community built around books. Not only do I have my blog that&#039;s got a great sense of community, but I belong to a book site where we&#039;ve gone past mere discussion of books to playing games with them (Yankee swaps, for instance) and even meeting in person -- from around the world. Most of us read over 100 books a year; some read over 200. 

This is one of the most vibrant communities of book lovers I&#039;ve ever met. I don&#039;t understand why the publishing business doesn&#039;t look to this sort of community and learn from us about trends and what readers are really thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of more community built around books. Not only do I have my blog that&#8217;s got a great sense of community, but I belong to a book site where we&#8217;ve gone past mere discussion of books to playing games with them (Yankee swaps, for instance) and even meeting in person &#8212; from around the world. Most of us read over 100 books a year; some read over 200. </p>
<p>This is one of the most vibrant communities of book lovers I&#8217;ve ever met. I don&#8217;t understand why the publishing business doesn&#8217;t look to this sort of community and learn from us about trends and what readers are really thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 04:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe -- Interesting point. And you&#039;re right. Though you know I wouldn&#039;t be me if I weren&#039;t a little bit contrary. In addition to comments, I also need to factor links to what I post into the mix. The ripple effect of blogging is a key factor in community building. Even when the links are to the effect of &quot;she&#039;s full of !@##$&quot;, at least we&#039;re talking. 

I also think that I know my readers better (and have seen how they have evolved and changed and stuck with me since I started) than most publishers. I can see my stats and translate them to readers, I can see who comments regularly, sporadically, and out of the blue. I can -- sorry kids, I&#039;m a stats freak in my own lazy way -- tell who skims the leads of the posts coming through the email newsletter and latches on to a topic that interests them. In many, many ways, I know that my blog is being read. 

Which, you know, when you&#039;re a writer is like gold. You want to be read. You very rarely know so directly that it&#039;s happening. So much about the blog experience offers direct feedback. Must consider this more for future drivel!

As for creating more vibrant communities around books, see tomorrow&#039;s guest post. We&#039;re looking for ideas. I think the prevalence of book clubs indicates a serious desire for more book discussion. It has to be the right forum for the right people. That means a lot of different approaches. 

And I&#039;m curious to know how publishers are doing this. Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &#8212; Interesting point. And you&#8217;re right. Though you know I wouldn&#8217;t be me if I weren&#8217;t a little bit contrary. In addition to comments, I also need to factor links to what I post into the mix. The ripple effect of blogging is a key factor in community building. Even when the links are to the effect of &#8220;she&#8217;s full of !@##$&#8221;, at least we&#8217;re talking. </p>
<p>I also think that I know my readers better (and have seen how they have evolved and changed and stuck with me since I started) than most publishers. I can see my stats and translate them to readers, I can see who comments regularly, sporadically, and out of the blue. I can &#8212; sorry kids, I&#8217;m a stats freak in my own lazy way &#8212; tell who skims the leads of the posts coming through the email newsletter and latches on to a topic that interests them. In many, many ways, I know that my blog is being read. </p>
<p>Which, you know, when you&#8217;re a writer is like gold. You want to be read. You very rarely know so directly that it&#8217;s happening. So much about the blog experience offers direct feedback. Must consider this more for future drivel!</p>
<p>As for creating more vibrant communities around books, see tomorrow&#8217;s guest post. We&#8217;re looking for ideas. I think the prevalence of book clubs indicates a serious desire for more book discussion. It has to be the right forum for the right people. That means a lot of different approaches. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m curious to know how publishers are doing this. Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Wikert</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/on-the-science-of-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-165698</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Wikert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a publisher, I totally agree with the notion that &quot;We need much more of a direct relationship with our readers.&quot;  However, as a blogger, I think it&#039;s overstating things to say that &quot;Bloggers have a much more interactive relationship with their readers than publishers do.&quot;

Look at the typical blog and the ratio of those who read posts vs. those who comment on them.  On my own blog I&#039;d say the ratio is about 300-500 readings for every one comment.  Granted, if that ratio were applied to a printed book, it would mean you&#039;d get 2-3 comments for every thousand copies sold...more than we probably see today, but not exactly a lively exchange.

My point? I definitely think blogging is a step in the right direction, but it&#039;s a baby step.  We need to figure out how to create more vibrant communities around books, especially ones that encourage participation by a lot more than 1 out of every 300-500 readers.  Then again, most people buying a book don&#039;t care about &quot;community&quot; or interacting with other readers, so we need to accept that fact as well.

Just my two cents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a publisher, I totally agree with the notion that &#8220;We need much more of a direct relationship with our readers.&#8221;  However, as a blogger, I think it&#8217;s overstating things to say that &#8220;Bloggers have a much more interactive relationship with their readers than publishers do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look at the typical blog and the ratio of those who read posts vs. those who comment on them.  On my own blog I&#8217;d say the ratio is about 300-500 readings for every one comment.  Granted, if that ratio were applied to a printed book, it would mean you&#8217;d get 2-3 comments for every thousand copies sold&#8230;more than we probably see today, but not exactly a lively exchange.</p>
<p>My point? I definitely think blogging is a step in the right direction, but it&#8217;s a baby step.  We need to figure out how to create more vibrant communities around books, especially ones that encourage participation by a lot more than 1 out of every 300-500 readers.  Then again, most people buying a book don&#8217;t care about &#8220;community&#8221; or interacting with other readers, so we need to accept that fact as well.</p>
<p>Just my two cents&#8230;</p>
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