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	<description>Dissecting the publishing industry with love and skepticism</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth McCoy</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/out-with-the-old-in-with-thecranky/comment-page-2/#comment-169108</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my experience in a small niche market of publishing (tabletop RPGs), the reason for raising prices was cited as: paper costs. The reason for keeping many &quot;also available in dead trees&quot; documents close to the dead-trees price is &quot;it keeps the retailers carrying our stock, because they don&#039;t think we&#039;re undercutting them too much.&quot; But even those documents are at least a dollar or two cheaper than the paper  books.

I might pay half as much for a book that&#039;s in paper format as well, to get it on my iPhone. And I&#039;ll wait till that&#039;s half of paperback price, thanks. Without the cost of paper in the mix, not to mention no fear of returns? I don&#039;t see why I should pay paper prices for an iPhone book. I&#039;ll go to Project Gutenberg instead. *cuddles Stanza*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience in a small niche market of publishing (tabletop RPGs), the reason for raising prices was cited as: paper costs. The reason for keeping many &#8220;also available in dead trees&#8221; documents close to the dead-trees price is &#8220;it keeps the retailers carrying our stock, because they don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re undercutting them too much.&#8221; But even those documents are at least a dollar or two cheaper than the paper  books.</p>
<p>I might pay half as much for a book that&#8217;s in paper format as well, to get it on my iPhone. And I&#8217;ll wait till that&#8217;s half of paperback price, thanks. Without the cost of paper in the mix, not to mention no fear of returns? I don&#8217;t see why I should pay paper prices for an iPhone book. I&#8217;ll go to Project Gutenberg instead. *cuddles Stanza*</p>
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		<title>By: The e-book Revolution Favours the Agile (But Deep Pockets Help) &#124; The Casual Optimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The e-book Revolution Favours the Agile (But Deep Pockets Help) &#124; The Casual Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] still have work to do on their e-books programs &#8212; there have been complaints about the  pricing in particular &#8211;  but, this is a period of experimentation and, with the best will in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] still have work to do on their e-books programs &#8212; there have been complaints about the  pricing in particular &#8211;  but, this is a period of experimentation and, with the best will in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Imagining an iTunes eBook Store &#124; Medialoper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imagining an iTunes eBook Store &#124; Medialoper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Apple to gauge the level of demand for front list titles on the iPhone platform. Of course, given the pricing on some of those App Store books, this may not be the best example of market [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apple to gauge the level of demand for front list titles on the iPhone platform. Of course, given the pricing on some of those App Store books, this may not be the best example of market [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday Links of Love &#124; Dear Author: Romance Novel Reviews, Industry News, and Commentary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thursday Links of Love &#124; Dear Author: Romance Novel Reviews, Industry News, and Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been pulled because of some kind of DRM security flaw and that ScrollMotion had priced its books in excess of the print versions of the books.  I.e., Brisingr in hardcover is a pricey $27.50 but to have it on your iPhone via ScrollMotion, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have been pulled because of some kind of DRM security flaw and that ScrollMotion had priced its books in excess of the print versions of the books.  I.e., Brisingr in hardcover is a pricey $27.50 but to have it on your iPhone via ScrollMotion, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The forbidden Apple &#124; Moriah Jovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>The forbidden Apple &#124; Moriah Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not only that, but some of them are seriously over-priced.  More than the hardback!!!  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Not only that, but some of them are seriously over-priced.  More than the hardback!!!  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On pricing, I really think that just like the music industry, the publishing industry is terrified of digital content.

They want it to go away.  They want us to be back in that happy reality where books only exist on paper and are therefore much much harder to pirate.

So they offer us ebooks at the same price or higher than the print version.  As if we&#039;re going to think suddenly that the print version is a &quot;deal&quot; and buy it.

I read almost exclusively in print.  It would be exclusively if I didn&#039;t have some friends published in E-only.  But people who want e-books want ebooks, and they aren&#039;t going to buy the paper copy cause of pricing musical chairs.

They&#039;ll just buy ebooks from someone else.

If the big publishers are going to be stupid about this, then the smaller publishers can and will take advantage of that to increase their own sales opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On pricing, I really think that just like the music industry, the publishing industry is terrified of digital content.</p>
<p>They want it to go away.  They want us to be back in that happy reality where books only exist on paper and are therefore much much harder to pirate.</p>
<p>So they offer us ebooks at the same price or higher than the print version.  As if we&#8217;re going to think suddenly that the print version is a &#8220;deal&#8221; and buy it.</p>
<p>I read almost exclusively in print.  It would be exclusively if I didn&#8217;t have some friends published in E-only.  But people who want e-books want ebooks, and they aren&#8217;t going to buy the paper copy cause of pricing musical chairs.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll just buy ebooks from someone else.</p>
<p>If the big publishers are going to be stupid about this, then the smaller publishers can and will take advantage of that to increase their own sales opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: kaigou</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaigou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate Hack said, &quot;But as much as we love Fictionwise, we don’t necessarily think their approach to commerce – forcing users to go off to a separate website to buy – makes the most sense.&quot;

Are we talking about the same Fictionwise? Because I order from them all the time, and while I could opt to use Paypal to order, that&#039;s such an accepted payment-method now that it&#039;s nearly seamless to the user. Or I can use a c&#039;card, and again the interface is seamless even if there&#039;s embedding going on via the c&#039;card application. From a user point of view, there&#039;s no grounds to this argument about Fictionwise, because the interface is about as seamless as any other, including Amazon.

Plus, Fictionwise allows me to search based on the format I want, and being a non-Kindle, non-Moby, non-Iceberg-whatever-it-is, oh, AND non-iPhone, non-Blackberry, non-Reader person, I have no need nor interest in those formats. I get multiformat (locked or unlocked) Adobe PDF and read it on my big honking iMac screen, no squinting or additional technology required, opened in Adobe -- also a cross-platform thing. 

Krozser asked,  &quot;Are you trying to kill the market? Are you trying to be funny?&quot;

I wonder if part of this is because when publishers act as their own retailers, they lose the gatekeepers who can sometimes be voices of reason. I mean, back when I owned a bookstore, if there was a book priced unreasonably high, I often made comments: &quot;no way am I ordering that, are you people crazy? pass it along, I think someone over there is on crack.&quot; I could, quite simply, refuse to sell it, and distract most customers with an alternate book/topic that wasn&#039;t priced ridiculously high. 

When the application goes right up on the web and straight to customer eyes, there&#039;s no savvy business-retail person in the middle anymore to tell the publishers, &quot;you people are on CRACK.&quot; And in my experience, publishers and distributors each know their own business really well: but their business is wholesale, not retail, and when they get into retail, they just reveal how little they really know about that half of the equation, and end up making it even harder on those who do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate Hack said, &#8220;But as much as we love Fictionwise, we don’t necessarily think their approach to commerce – forcing users to go off to a separate website to buy – makes the most sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are we talking about the same Fictionwise? Because I order from them all the time, and while I could opt to use Paypal to order, that&#8217;s such an accepted payment-method now that it&#8217;s nearly seamless to the user. Or I can use a c&#8217;card, and again the interface is seamless even if there&#8217;s embedding going on via the c&#8217;card application. From a user point of view, there&#8217;s no grounds to this argument about Fictionwise, because the interface is about as seamless as any other, including Amazon.</p>
<p>Plus, Fictionwise allows me to search based on the format I want, and being a non-Kindle, non-Moby, non-Iceberg-whatever-it-is, oh, AND non-iPhone, non-Blackberry, non-Reader person, I have no need nor interest in those formats. I get multiformat (locked or unlocked) Adobe PDF and read it on my big honking iMac screen, no squinting or additional technology required, opened in Adobe &#8212; also a cross-platform thing. </p>
<p>Krozser asked,  &#8220;Are you trying to kill the market? Are you trying to be funny?&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if part of this is because when publishers act as their own retailers, they lose the gatekeepers who can sometimes be voices of reason. I mean, back when I owned a bookstore, if there was a book priced unreasonably high, I often made comments: &#8220;no way am I ordering that, are you people crazy? pass it along, I think someone over there is on crack.&#8221; I could, quite simply, refuse to sell it, and distract most customers with an alternate book/topic that wasn&#8217;t priced ridiculously high. </p>
<p>When the application goes right up on the web and straight to customer eyes, there&#8217;s no savvy business-retail person in the middle anymore to tell the publishers, &#8220;you people are on CRACK.&#8221; And in my experience, publishers and distributors each know their own business really well: but their business is wholesale, not retail, and when they get into retail, they just reveal how little they really know about that half of the equation, and end up making it even harder on those who do.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Cranbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Cranbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Cathy.  I will check those out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Cathy.  I will check those out.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Macleod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Macleod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean said: &quot;Why are ebooks not created for mass technology that already exists in the hands of common people.&quot;
I believe you get close to that at Smashwords and Mobipocket. I download from these to my laptop. To  simulate a traditional book-read, I use the free Mobipocket Reader software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean said: &#8220;Why are ebooks not created for mass technology that already exists in the hands of common people.&#8221;<br />
I believe you get close to that at Smashwords and Mobipocket. I download from these to my laptop. To  simulate a traditional book-read, I use the free Mobipocket Reader software.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Templer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Templer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate Hack:

&quot;Yes, we currently sell all of our eBooks to Fictionwise and are happy to continue doing so. Again, we can agree to disagree about whether theirs is the best approach to commerce.&quot;

For the record, I certainly don&#039;t think it&#039;s the ideal solution. In MY perfect world, I&#039;d be able to buy books right out of the iTunes store, the same way I buy music, etc., and they&#039;d be transferred into my preferred reading app, but the prices would have to be at least as good as Fictionwise&#039;s. But if the only way to put the books on my Apple account is to buy them as standalones from the app store (no matter the price), I&#039;m out. That&#039;s just a big cumbersome mess, and if it&#039;s what we wind up with, I fear for the health of that market.

And my last comment may have come across as snottier than I intended it. If it read snotty to you, I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate Hack:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, we currently sell all of our eBooks to Fictionwise and are happy to continue doing so. Again, we can agree to disagree about whether theirs is the best approach to commerce.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the record, I certainly don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the ideal solution. In MY perfect world, I&#8217;d be able to buy books right out of the iTunes store, the same way I buy music, etc., and they&#8217;d be transferred into my preferred reading app, but the prices would have to be at least as good as Fictionwise&#8217;s. But if the only way to put the books on my Apple account is to buy them as standalones from the app store (no matter the price), I&#8217;m out. That&#8217;s just a big cumbersome mess, and if it&#8217;s what we wind up with, I fear for the health of that market.</p>
<p>And my last comment may have come across as snottier than I intended it. If it read snotty to you, I apologize.</p>
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