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		<title>By: Will Apple Refund &#8220;Defective&#8221; eBooks? &#171; Mike Cane&#39;s iPad Test</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/quality-control-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-171699</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Apple Refund &#8220;Defective&#8221; eBooks? &#171; Mike Cane&#39;s iPad Test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sloganeering.Org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ill Swill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sloganeering.Org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ill Swill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What little I&#8217;ve seen suggests that it&#8217;s kind of working out, but who knows? Are their quality control issues with some, possibly more visually exciting titles? With this save magazines and long form [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Helen E. H. Madden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen E. H. Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve yet to run into an e-book where I had problems with the formatting, but have run into enough e-books that were so poorly written I couldn&#039;t believe I&#039;d wasted money on them.  There are quite a few of those out there, and it makes me wonder, who the heck is buying such drivel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve yet to run into an e-book where I had problems with the formatting, but have run into enough e-books that were so poorly written I couldn&#8217;t believe I&#8217;d wasted money on them.  There are quite a few of those out there, and it makes me wonder, who the heck is buying such drivel?</p>
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		<title>By: Remembering English</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remembering English</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out this recent post on Booksquare about quality control in electronic publishing &#8212; an interesting piece that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KatG</title>
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		<dc:creator>KatG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no one in a publishing house in upper management whose job is to be in charge of quality control.  They can&#039;t afford it and they don&#039;t know how to do it.  They haven&#039;t the money to hire the people who can do it properly. They pile on  job after job responsibility on editors and cut editorial staff to the bone, making editors do the work of two, three people, especially in recessions like the current one. So editors can&#039;t edit and new editors coming in aren&#039;t trained much on editing.  Copyediting is entirely freelance, and I&#039;m pretty sure almost nobody checks the copyediting except the authors, many of whom aren&#039;t trained to do it. Ditto the proofreading.  And no one in the editing process handles quality control on printed books. 

Production is in charge of organizing the rounds of copyediting, proofs and getting everything to the printers, but they aren&#039;t in charge of the printed books which go to warehouses. I doubt much quality control goes on at the warehouses. Paper, ink and glue, the big costs, are gotten as cheaply as possible.  If there are problems, booksellers, wholesalers and distributors let publishers know about &quot;errata&quot; and they fix it in the next edition. Despite attempts to improve orders and shipping procedures, books are still shipped out in large numbers and come back in large numbers as returns. Mass market paperbacks are so unimportant that they only ship the front covers back and pulp the rest, so quality is not the big concern. 

The publishers have no electronics divisions at this point. They don&#039;t have people who know how to do e-books. They hire companies or have Amazon do it. They have no ability to quality control e-books, and since it&#039;s only 3% of their market, they have little incentive to make a big effort to put out a high quality product or to price it competitively. You&#039;ll either buy it or you won&#039;t. They don&#039;t see a good angle for them yet in that market, and most of the profits on e-publishing are going to companies like Amazon. 

Or Sony, or Apple -- big electronic firms who are the richest companies  in the world, who have armies of quality control people and design techs, who have technology at their disposal that book publishers can only dream of ever obtaining -- technology that the electronics companies  invented, so if they want to sell e-books, they could very well use it on producing the things they are licensing. The last twenty-five years of whirlwind computer development swept right by book publishing, which was mired in the 1950&#039;s ways of doing business.  Compared to book publishers, newspapers are cutting edge. 

So of course, the book publishers want Amazon, Sony and Apple to figure it out for them and to buy the rights, figure out the pricing, give them their cut of sales and leave them out of the tech. Authors have to do most of their own publicity too.  It&#039;s been a semi-effective strategy to sit back and let others figure out things for them. 

Does that mean that authors are going to end up selling directly to Apple for e-books? Not likely, because Apple doesn&#039;t want to invest that kind of time on little old books. They want the publishers to supply them with titles and have a big inventory of books, mags, newspapers, etc. for their e-readers and other devices. 

There&#039;s a huge potential market for book publishers with e-books of readers who don&#039;t buy print books and readers who do but want lots of books. But that market is not going to be there enough until Apple, Amazon and the other tech companies work out their tech infrastructure and their DRM issues, which involves many other industries besides book publishing. When they do, it will first help the newspapers, online sites and magazines, and only then will it help the book publishers. It&#039;s going to be a clutzy, complicated, poorly financed transition. 

So yes, publishers undercut their market. They are always undercutting their market. It&#039;s one of the most inefficient, trapped industries around. It has the fewest vendors selling its products. It makes some money, it&#039;s glamorous, but it&#039;s not fulfilling its potential yet. If you want change to happen, go bug Apple, not Random House. Because Random House isn&#039;t up to it, hasn&#039;t the money for it,  and has not yet been given enough reason or guarantees to care about e-books. 

They&#039;re waiting. And since an average print book might only sell 5,000-10,000  copies, they aren&#039;t particularly freaked that a high priced e-book might only sell a few thousand copies. Book publishers are used to working on such small scales. They are used to readers putting up with errors because they looove books, even if those readers sometimes complain.  So it&#039;s not just a matter of quality service -- it&#039;s big shifts in how publishing operates. 

Some of the big publishing firms are working on ways to improve print operations. Unfortunately, a lot of those new experiments involve really poor terms for authors, and quite a few of them won&#039;t work out. But there may be improvements in print or e-publishing, especially if Apple et. al. improves the tech, and also buys your argument that they can charge $50 for a game or a program, $20 for a CD or a DVD,  but you want them to charge $6.99 for an e-book. 

But in the meantime, as Amazon showed you with the Kindle, nobody is going to accommodate you over what they see as their short-term profitline as they attempt to snag gadget buyers who have little else available to buy. And the tech hapless publishers least of all.  It&#039;s not going to happen yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no one in a publishing house in upper management whose job is to be in charge of quality control.  They can&#8217;t afford it and they don&#8217;t know how to do it.  They haven&#8217;t the money to hire the people who can do it properly. They pile on  job after job responsibility on editors and cut editorial staff to the bone, making editors do the work of two, three people, especially in recessions like the current one. So editors can&#8217;t edit and new editors coming in aren&#8217;t trained much on editing.  Copyediting is entirely freelance, and I&#8217;m pretty sure almost nobody checks the copyediting except the authors, many of whom aren&#8217;t trained to do it. Ditto the proofreading.  And no one in the editing process handles quality control on printed books. </p>
<p>Production is in charge of organizing the rounds of copyediting, proofs and getting everything to the printers, but they aren&#8217;t in charge of the printed books which go to warehouses. I doubt much quality control goes on at the warehouses. Paper, ink and glue, the big costs, are gotten as cheaply as possible.  If there are problems, booksellers, wholesalers and distributors let publishers know about &#8220;errata&#8221; and they fix it in the next edition. Despite attempts to improve orders and shipping procedures, books are still shipped out in large numbers and come back in large numbers as returns. Mass market paperbacks are so unimportant that they only ship the front covers back and pulp the rest, so quality is not the big concern. </p>
<p>The publishers have no electronics divisions at this point. They don&#8217;t have people who know how to do e-books. They hire companies or have Amazon do it. They have no ability to quality control e-books, and since it&#8217;s only 3% of their market, they have little incentive to make a big effort to put out a high quality product or to price it competitively. You&#8217;ll either buy it or you won&#8217;t. They don&#8217;t see a good angle for them yet in that market, and most of the profits on e-publishing are going to companies like Amazon. </p>
<p>Or Sony, or Apple &#8212; big electronic firms who are the richest companies  in the world, who have armies of quality control people and design techs, who have technology at their disposal that book publishers can only dream of ever obtaining &#8212; technology that the electronics companies  invented, so if they want to sell e-books, they could very well use it on producing the things they are licensing. The last twenty-five years of whirlwind computer development swept right by book publishing, which was mired in the 1950&#8242;s ways of doing business.  Compared to book publishers, newspapers are cutting edge. </p>
<p>So of course, the book publishers want Amazon, Sony and Apple to figure it out for them and to buy the rights, figure out the pricing, give them their cut of sales and leave them out of the tech. Authors have to do most of their own publicity too.  It&#8217;s been a semi-effective strategy to sit back and let others figure out things for them. </p>
<p>Does that mean that authors are going to end up selling directly to Apple for e-books? Not likely, because Apple doesn&#8217;t want to invest that kind of time on little old books. They want the publishers to supply them with titles and have a big inventory of books, mags, newspapers, etc. for their e-readers and other devices. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a huge potential market for book publishers with e-books of readers who don&#8217;t buy print books and readers who do but want lots of books. But that market is not going to be there enough until Apple, Amazon and the other tech companies work out their tech infrastructure and their DRM issues, which involves many other industries besides book publishing. When they do, it will first help the newspapers, online sites and magazines, and only then will it help the book publishers. It&#8217;s going to be a clutzy, complicated, poorly financed transition. </p>
<p>So yes, publishers undercut their market. They are always undercutting their market. It&#8217;s one of the most inefficient, trapped industries around. It has the fewest vendors selling its products. It makes some money, it&#8217;s glamorous, but it&#8217;s not fulfilling its potential yet. If you want change to happen, go bug Apple, not Random House. Because Random House isn&#8217;t up to it, hasn&#8217;t the money for it,  and has not yet been given enough reason or guarantees to care about e-books. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re waiting. And since an average print book might only sell 5,000-10,000  copies, they aren&#8217;t particularly freaked that a high priced e-book might only sell a few thousand copies. Book publishers are used to working on such small scales. They are used to readers putting up with errors because they looove books, even if those readers sometimes complain.  So it&#8217;s not just a matter of quality service &#8212; it&#8217;s big shifts in how publishing operates. </p>
<p>Some of the big publishing firms are working on ways to improve print operations. Unfortunately, a lot of those new experiments involve really poor terms for authors, and quite a few of them won&#8217;t work out. But there may be improvements in print or e-publishing, especially if Apple et. al. improves the tech, and also buys your argument that they can charge $50 for a game or a program, $20 for a CD or a DVD,  but you want them to charge $6.99 for an e-book. </p>
<p>But in the meantime, as Amazon showed you with the Kindle, nobody is going to accommodate you over what they see as their short-term profitline as they attempt to snag gadget buyers who have little else available to buy. And the tech hapless publishers least of all.  It&#8217;s not going to happen yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda Blau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda Blau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve resisted a kindle or other electronic reader so far, but I know at some point I&#039;ll have to give in.  Reading the above post and comments certainly strengthens my resolve to hold out as long as I can.  I&#039;m lucky because I&#039;m about to see the publication of my book, by W.W. Norton, a company that seems to really care. (I&#039;ve been published by other biggies, and I can&#039;t say that&#039;s always true). I&#039;ve been told that Kindle and Sony versions will be available. I just have to hope that the same care Norton took to produce the hardcover they&#039;ll apply to the electronic version.  But we all better steel ourselves: Books might never disappear entirely, but ebooks are here to stay.  I just hope they get better and they don&#039;t take over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve resisted a kindle or other electronic reader so far, but I know at some point I&#8217;ll have to give in.  Reading the above post and comments certainly strengthens my resolve to hold out as long as I can.  I&#8217;m lucky because I&#8217;m about to see the publication of my book, by W.W. Norton, a company that seems to really care. (I&#8217;ve been published by other biggies, and I can&#8217;t say that&#8217;s always true). I&#8217;ve been told that Kindle and Sony versions will be available. I just have to hope that the same care Norton took to produce the hardcover they&#8217;ll apply to the electronic version.  But we all better steel ourselves: Books might never disappear entirely, but ebooks are here to stay.  I just hope they get better and they don&#8217;t take over!</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline Baird Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauline Baird Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the worst problems with quality control are with NY published books. I agree, I get samples before to see if its readable.</description>
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		<title>By: Clive Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand how it can happen on a normal PDF. It&#039;s possible to quite easily format the book block into a nice readable PDF, in fact that&#039;s how we make the printed book anyway, and adding the cover isn&#039;t exactly rocket science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand how it can happen on a normal PDF. It&#8217;s possible to quite easily format the book block into a nice readable PDF, in fact that&#8217;s how we make the printed book anyway, and adding the cover isn&#8217;t exactly rocket science.</p>
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		<title>By: ReacherFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReacherFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Rich Adin, I too can live things like double spacing, but the editing errors are egregious in even best selling hardcover books.  I read one book this week and found 4 editing errors that affected the flow of the story within the first 3 pages.  It&#039;s hard enough dealing with the various writing styles, but when basic editing skills are absent it&#039;s an insult to the reader.

Another problem is many books seem to be edited by people for whom English seems to be a second language.  The errors are consistent through the text, and it goes beyond homophones.  No writer would make such an error in language.

This goes well past bad grammar or some academic complaint scholarly texts and hits ordinary consumers where it matters, in the disruption of the story.  Fiction is meant to be a coherent, cohesive whole, not something you have to fight and reread because of editing errors.  Everything from missing commas to using the wrong word stops the flow, forces the reader to go back and try and work out what SHOULD have been there, and then try and get back into the story again.  I&#039;ve actually given up on both ebooks and prints books when I hit the one error too many.  

The sad part is, publishers don&#039;t care.  Surely writers must hate seeing their efforts corrupted by bad editing ruining their hard work, yet I&#039;ve never seen a writer complain on any of the forums.  I cannot help but wonder why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Rich Adin, I too can live things like double spacing, but the editing errors are egregious in even best selling hardcover books.  I read one book this week and found 4 editing errors that affected the flow of the story within the first 3 pages.  It&#8217;s hard enough dealing with the various writing styles, but when basic editing skills are absent it&#8217;s an insult to the reader.</p>
<p>Another problem is many books seem to be edited by people for whom English seems to be a second language.  The errors are consistent through the text, and it goes beyond homophones.  No writer would make such an error in language.</p>
<p>This goes well past bad grammar or some academic complaint scholarly texts and hits ordinary consumers where it matters, in the disruption of the story.  Fiction is meant to be a coherent, cohesive whole, not something you have to fight and reread because of editing errors.  Everything from missing commas to using the wrong word stops the flow, forces the reader to go back and try and work out what SHOULD have been there, and then try and get back into the story again.  I&#8217;ve actually given up on both ebooks and prints books when I hit the one error too many.  </p>
<p>The sad part is, publishers don&#8217;t care.  Surely writers must hate seeing their efforts corrupted by bad editing ruining their hard work, yet I&#8217;ve never seen a writer complain on any of the forums.  I cannot help but wonder why.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just e-books.  The lack of editing in paper books appalls me--even in expensive hardbacks produced by, say, an academic press with the books intended for an academic audience.  Typos and misused words are common.  Not to mention fiction--doesn&#039;t anybody know English or punctuation any more, or the difference between &quot;I&quot; and &quot;me&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just e-books.  The lack of editing in paper books appalls me&#8211;even in expensive hardbacks produced by, say, an academic press with the books intended for an academic audience.  Typos and misused words are common.  Not to mention fiction&#8211;doesn&#8217;t anybody know English or punctuation any more, or the difference between &#8220;I&#8221; and &#8220;me&#8221;?</p>
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