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		<title>By: Deborah Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 16:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Dan -- Are you saying there&#039;s either one extreme or the other? On one end is the so-called &quot;Wal Mart reader&quot; who you assume is a neanderthal barely able to look past the wrestling magazines and Harlequins? And the other extreme is made up of brilliant readers who wouldn&#039;t touch pop fiction if it fell in their laps on a desert island? IMHO, there&#039;s a huge middle ground of diverse readers who get completely ignored by book review editors at the major newspapers. Weaver, at the AJC, has such a narrow focus I can almost predict which southern lit authors she&#039;ll review every year. Same crowd, over and over. If you don&#039;t like them, or like other authors and genres in addition to the annointed &quot;good&quot; writers, you&#039;re out of luck. Would it kill book review editors to do round-up columns on pop fiction? And wouldn&#039;t it make sense to provide local and regional readers with even brief info on ALL local and regional authors? Few newspapers are elitist when it comes to general news and lifestyle topics. No newspaper in its right mind would hire a music critic who only reviews classical music or an arts critic who only discusses the Old Masters. So why should book pages be some bastion of highbrow literary fiction to the exclusion of all other tastes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Dan &#8212; Are you saying there&#8217;s either one extreme or the other? On one end is the so-called &#8220;Wal Mart reader&#8221; who you assume is a neanderthal barely able to look past the wrestling magazines and Harlequins? And the other extreme is made up of brilliant readers who wouldn&#8217;t touch pop fiction if it fell in their laps on a desert island? IMHO, there&#8217;s a huge middle ground of diverse readers who get completely ignored by book review editors at the major newspapers. Weaver, at the AJC, has such a narrow focus I can almost predict which southern lit authors she&#8217;ll review every year. Same crowd, over and over. If you don&#8217;t like them, or like other authors and genres in addition to the annointed &#8220;good&#8221; writers, you&#8217;re out of luck. Would it kill book review editors to do round-up columns on pop fiction? And wouldn&#8217;t it make sense to provide local and regional readers with even brief info on ALL local and regional authors? Few newspapers are elitist when it comes to general news and lifestyle topics. No newspaper in its right mind would hire a music critic who only reviews classical music or an arts critic who only discusses the Old Masters. So why should book pages be some bastion of highbrow literary fiction to the exclusion of all other tastes?</p>
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		<title>By: booktwo.org Notebook &#187; Stop Press for May 2nd through May 8th</title>
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		<dc:creator>booktwo.org Notebook &#187; Stop Press for May 2nd through May 8th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspaper reviews are not democratisers - Booksquare looks at shrinking review pages, and critiques the kneejerk response. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Newspaper reviews are not democratisers &#8211; Booksquare looks at shrinking review pages, and critiques the kneejerk response. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 18:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read everything. Literally. Everything. Lately, for reasons unknown, people have been playing the &quot;would you rather be deaf or blind&quot; game. Random people who have no reason to know one another, yet they have latched on to this game. Collective unconscious, I guess.

I always choose deaf. I realize that there are ways to &quot;read&quot; without using my eyes, yet I am not in an emotional place where I am willing to accept those options. 

I digress. I believe most readers go far broader than the literary establishment believes. Sure, there are those who read one thing and one thing only (I have a sister who, sigh, only read Mary Higgins Clark; I do not understand this as we have the same mother, but you can never account for your siblings). And I agree that part of reviewing is developing a trust relationship with a reviewer. In fact, that is what makes those who review well so effective -- they offer a perspective that largely agrees with that of their loyal readers. If I trust the taste of the person making a recommendation, I will give that recommendation more weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read everything. Literally. Everything. Lately, for reasons unknown, people have been playing the &#8220;would you rather be deaf or blind&#8221; game. Random people who have no reason to know one another, yet they have latched on to this game. Collective unconscious, I guess.</p>
<p>I always choose deaf. I realize that there are ways to &#8220;read&#8221; without using my eyes, yet I am not in an emotional place where I am willing to accept those options. </p>
<p>I digress. I believe most readers go far broader than the literary establishment believes. Sure, there are those who read one thing and one thing only (I have a sister who, sigh, only read Mary Higgins Clark; I do not understand this as we have the same mother, but you can never account for your siblings). And I agree that part of reviewing is developing a trust relationship with a reviewer. In fact, that is what makes those who review well so effective &#8212; they offer a perspective that largely agrees with that of their loyal readers. If I trust the taste of the person making a recommendation, I will give that recommendation more weight.</p>
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		<title>By: David Queenann</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Queenann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 11:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read everything. I am a gourmand who also likes gourmet when it comes to literature. I read pulp fiction and literary classics. I&#039;m not enamored of the anemic sensibilities of literary reviewers, and frequently disagree with them, but they do provide useful information, and when you divine which one&#039;s have similar tastes to yours they can be very useful. I don&#039;t see reviewing books any different than reviewing movies, and a broad swath of movie-goers actually do pay attention to reviewers whose taste they have come to trust. Why not a New York Times review section that deals with popular genre fiction? It would probably draw readers. But then, I don&#039;t own a television and haven&#039;t seen a movie in several years, so I&#039;m probably out of touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read everything. I am a gourmand who also likes gourmet when it comes to literature. I read pulp fiction and literary classics. I&#8217;m not enamored of the anemic sensibilities of literary reviewers, and frequently disagree with them, but they do provide useful information, and when you divine which one&#8217;s have similar tastes to yours they can be very useful. I don&#8217;t see reviewing books any different than reviewing movies, and a broad swath of movie-goers actually do pay attention to reviewers whose taste they have come to trust. Why not a New York Times review section that deals with popular genre fiction? It would probably draw readers. But then, I don&#8217;t own a television and haven&#8217;t seen a movie in several years, so I&#8217;m probably out of touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 03:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Dan, to leave you hanging all day. I know you were waiting (g). I&#039;m with Don in that wide swaths are essential. However, I&#039;m also thinking we&#039;re using slightly different definitions of Wal-Mart readers. I have what I think is a natural aversion to shopping there (not to mention all my crazy political issues), but I also know college educated, middle class, as defined by where they live, people who shop at Wal-Mart. They buy books there, though, yes, the selection is limited; but their time is also limited.

These are the people going online for more information about books. I think my example of older women in the Midwest is telling. I think the proliferation and success of blogs about literature is telling. I believe these Wal-Mart readers comprise more of our audience than we realize. That&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Dan, to leave you hanging all day. I know you were waiting (g). I&#8217;m with Don in that wide swaths are essential. However, I&#8217;m also thinking we&#8217;re using slightly different definitions of Wal-Mart readers. I have what I think is a natural aversion to shopping there (not to mention all my crazy political issues), but I also know college educated, middle class, as defined by where they live, people who shop at Wal-Mart. They buy books there, though, yes, the selection is limited; but their time is also limited.</p>
<p>These are the people going online for more information about books. I think my example of older women in the Midwest is telling. I think the proliferation and success of blogs about literature is telling. I believe these Wal-Mart readers comprise more of our audience than we realize. That&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Linn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Linn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 02:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Dan&#039;s comment, I would argue that the wide swath is exactly who publishers and book reviewers should target if they&#039;re in the business as a business. Might it offend out sensibilities? Yes. Might it sell more books and generate more interest in reading generally which would in turn attract more readers? Almost certainly. 

And smart niche (genre) publishers can find their audiences on the web if they make the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Dan&#8217;s comment, I would argue that the wide swath is exactly who publishers and book reviewers should target if they&#8217;re in the business as a business. Might it offend out sensibilities? Yes. Might it sell more books and generate more interest in reading generally which would in turn attract more readers? Almost certainly. </p>
<p>And smart niche (genre) publishers can find their audiences on the web if they make the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think that &quot;wide swath&quot; covers an awful lot of territory. Some genre readers surely do feel that their favorites don&#039;t get reviewed in the newspapers, and it would be optimal of course if they did. On the other hand, I doubt the *widest* swath, the Wal-Mart readers, etc., consider book reviews relevant to their interests at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think that &#8220;wide swath&#8221; covers an awful lot of territory. Some genre readers surely do feel that their favorites don&#8217;t get reviewed in the newspapers, and it would be optimal of course if they did. On the other hand, I doubt the *widest* swath, the Wal-Mart readers, etc., consider book reviews relevant to their interests at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 22:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, actually, I do believe this wide swath is interested in book reviews. Deborah Smith said as much in her comment. I think the success of many blogs/websites reflects this desire for better information about books by consumers. 

I do carve the NYTBR out of most of these discussions because it has far more publishing advertising support than is probably necessary (what I think of as preaching to the choir) -- spreading the dollars around would be a great benefit to newspapers nationwide. That being said, while some readers are very much genre specific,  there are many who read across the breadth of the literary spectrum. They are essentially disenfranchised by editorial refusal to acknowledge their existence. The fact that the addition of a science fiction column to the NYT family was news reflects this.

As for Wal-Mart fiction, what you&#039;re talking about is essentially the bestseller list with Wal-Mart-centric selectivity. In many cases, these books are review-proof, meaning they would hit the lists with or without critical recognition. In the meantime, a whole lot of good fiction, all types, languishes because it isn&#039;t even given a chance. And even in a perfect world, not all books would get this chance, but it&#039;s clear that lack of readership is killing book coverage in newspapers.

It&#039;s also clear  -- you see it on your own site -- that it&#039;s not because the readers don&#039;t exist. It&#039;s because the newspapers made editorial choices, choices they are fully entitled to make, that exclude or alienate certain readers. If readers don&#039;t feel comfortable, they&#039;ll go where they do. Which is why newspapers are playing catch-up to blogs and other sources of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, actually, I do believe this wide swath is interested in book reviews. Deborah Smith said as much in her comment. I think the success of many blogs/websites reflects this desire for better information about books by consumers. </p>
<p>I do carve the NYTBR out of most of these discussions because it has far more publishing advertising support than is probably necessary (what I think of as preaching to the choir) &#8212; spreading the dollars around would be a great benefit to newspapers nationwide. That being said, while some readers are very much genre specific,  there are many who read across the breadth of the literary spectrum. They are essentially disenfranchised by editorial refusal to acknowledge their existence. The fact that the addition of a science fiction column to the NYT family was news reflects this.</p>
<p>As for Wal-Mart fiction, what you&#8217;re talking about is essentially the bestseller list with Wal-Mart-centric selectivity. In many cases, these books are review-proof, meaning they would hit the lists with or without critical recognition. In the meantime, a whole lot of good fiction, all types, languishes because it isn&#8217;t even given a chance. And even in a perfect world, not all books would get this chance, but it&#8217;s clear that lack of readership is killing book coverage in newspapers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also clear  &#8212; you see it on your own site &#8212; that it&#8217;s not because the readers don&#8217;t exist. It&#8217;s because the newspapers made editorial choices, choices they are fully entitled to make, that exclude or alienate certain readers. If readers don&#8217;t feel comfortable, they&#8217;ll go where they do. Which is why newspapers are playing catch-up to blogs and other sources of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 21:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the truth of the matter is that most dedicated book review sections cater to a small slice of the reading public. They are simply not relevant to a wide swath of readers&quot;

But do you really think that this &quot;wide swath&quot; is interested in book reviews at all? If the New York Times suddenly started reviewing Wal-Mart fiction, do you believe many of the readers of that fiction would begin reading the Times Book Review?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the truth of the matter is that most dedicated book review sections cater to a small slice of the reading public. They are simply not relevant to a wide swath of readers&#8221;</p>
<p>But do you really think that this &#8220;wide swath&#8221; is interested in book reviews at all? If the New York Times suddenly started reviewing Wal-Mart fiction, do you believe many of the readers of that fiction would begin reading the Times Book Review?</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Publishing as we know it has been dead for a decade or more and publishers need to catch up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Don, are you trying to get me all excited?

I did my first article about e-publishing in 1998 (being young and innocent at the time). I&#039;ve been online regularly since 1992, 1993, about the time &quot;Snowcrash&quot; was first published in paperback as I remember a pizza addiction and online discussions with a friend in San Francisco. The medium was primitive, the obvious possibility was, well, obvious. Amazon went online not long after. 

My first inkling that readers, particularly, were moving online was in 1997 or so. Interestingly, the group that captured my attention was the romance reader. These were not hip college students or bored office workers. These were -- and I am not being snide  -- middle-aged to older women from the Midwest. Online talking about genre fiction. Why? Nowhere else to go. These are the readers who have left the world of newspapers behind.

They don&#039;t need major media to guide them. That&#039;s kind of sad, if you&#039;re a newspaper publisher.

And, yeah, the RIAA really is an example, though I&#039;m convinced that the publishing industry is doomed to repeat the mistakes of its younger siblings. It&#039;s very sad to watch an industry stand on the sidelines and wonder what&#039;s going on midfield.

Will be in touch soon -- we&#039;re finalizing dates for O&#039;Reilly&#039;s Tools of Change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Publishing as we know it has been dead for a decade or more and publishers need to catch up.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don, are you trying to get me all excited?</p>
<p>I did my first article about e-publishing in 1998 (being young and innocent at the time). I&#8217;ve been online regularly since 1992, 1993, about the time &#8220;Snowcrash&#8221; was first published in paperback as I remember a pizza addiction and online discussions with a friend in San Francisco. The medium was primitive, the obvious possibility was, well, obvious. Amazon went online not long after. </p>
<p>My first inkling that readers, particularly, were moving online was in 1997 or so. Interestingly, the group that captured my attention was the romance reader. These were not hip college students or bored office workers. These were &#8212; and I am not being snide  &#8212; middle-aged to older women from the Midwest. Online talking about genre fiction. Why? Nowhere else to go. These are the readers who have left the world of newspapers behind.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t need major media to guide them. That&#8217;s kind of sad, if you&#8217;re a newspaper publisher.</p>
<p>And, yeah, the RIAA really is an example, though I&#8217;m convinced that the publishing industry is doomed to repeat the mistakes of its younger siblings. It&#8217;s very sad to watch an industry stand on the sidelines and wonder what&#8217;s going on midfield.</p>
<p>Will be in touch soon &#8212; we&#8217;re finalizing dates for O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s Tools of Change.</p>
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