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		<title>By: Deborah Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has always amazed me that major newspapers  cover all genres of popular movies, sports and music, yet when it comes to book coverage they almost completely ignore pop fiction. That elitist attitude is hypocritical and highly subjective; it makes no sense. There&#039;s a large and avid audience of book readers out there; if they don&#039;t read the book reviews it&#039;s only because their favorite books are never there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has always amazed me that major newspapers  cover all genres of popular movies, sports and music, yet when it comes to book coverage they almost completely ignore pop fiction. That elitist attitude is hypocritical and highly subjective; it makes no sense. There&#8217;s a large and avid audience of book readers out there; if they don&#8217;t read the book reviews it&#8217;s only because their favorite books are never there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Hurricane</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/stop-your-sobbing/comment-page-1/#comment-166696</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Hurricane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, when I was starting out in my journalism career, I found myself at a book review journal published in Los Angeles. It was a national magazine with about a 35,000 bi-monthly (eventually quarterly) circulation. It was known, over time, as The West Coast Review of Books, Books/100 Reviews and finally Rapport. The owner/publisher/actor/theater producer, David Dreis (AKA Crane Jackson/Cholly Angelino and God knows who else this intriguing character called himself) had the right idea about book reviews but it was nearly a miracle that his creation existed at all. The idea was that there was no real vehicle at the time (1980s) that could accommodate readersâ€™ need for simple reviews done in volume. For example, as has been mentioned, do genre readers get a fair shake from traditional review mediums when trying to find whether Genre Writerâ€™s X book is better than her Y book or Z book? Well, with 100 reviews, we could run the gamut from Updike to Collins and follow any writerâ€™s career. Were we considered low-brow by the gatekeepers of the traditional review world? Of course. However, as an avid reader of the New York Review of Books at the time, I felt there should definitely be a place for both. After all, reading is essential to the health of a culture (or whatever the hell our OJ/Brittany/Paris marketing media madness mess is). The book industry itself is not so choosy. They loved the fact that we reviewed so many of their hard-to-get-reviewed books and sent them to us by the truckloads and were later more than happy to blurb us on their covers.

So, where did we get our reviewers from? How do you pay for this kind of writing army? Well, it was an eclectic bunch of book lovers from a variety of walks of life (I remember a local judge, in particular, who was quite prolific). They worked for the free book and the chance to work their own literary writing muscle. In many ways they were the precursors to the better-of-the-lot Amazon reviewers. Some of them were quite good; extremely literate folks with perceptive knowledge of the topics and writers, for both non-fiction and fiction. Others, less so, but with fixing on our end, made useful for the job of informing a potential reader.

Before Amazon and bloggers there was simply no real viable way to obtain any opinion or information on the sheer volume of 175,000 books published every year. I know. I was there when 100 reviews every two months was considered heresy and insane. And in many ways, it was. Every month was a small financial miracle that the printer got paid. A few key publisher/advertisers, more or less, kept the boat afloat. Too bad, we really did reach out to that reader mentioned in this piece that was forgotten about by the more elitist reviewing outlets. Our readers loved us and we, unfortunately, put out a piss-poor product â€“ visually and, ultimately, editorially -- suppressed by the sheer gravity of poverty surrounding the operation and magnitude of the task (a staff of two or three part-timers for 50 books a month versus, say, the sizable paid professional staff and freelance budget of the LATBR). But it was an early water cooler for a book loving collection of people. And for that, if for nothing else, I tip my hat in memory of its long ago demise. Even in its hobbled state of being (for more than two decades I believe), it was better for the reading world that it existed than had it never existed. And the same goes for all of those people out there now blogging and reviewing and talking about books. Shoot your TV and donâ€™t look back. And donâ€™t worry about what the LATBR does. The promulgation of literacy may be the only thing that saves our silly culture. You are in that forefront. Do it with passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, when I was starting out in my journalism career, I found myself at a book review journal published in Los Angeles. It was a national magazine with about a 35,000 bi-monthly (eventually quarterly) circulation. It was known, over time, as The West Coast Review of Books, Books/100 Reviews and finally Rapport. The owner/publisher/actor/theater producer, David Dreis (AKA Crane Jackson/Cholly Angelino and God knows who else this intriguing character called himself) had the right idea about book reviews but it was nearly a miracle that his creation existed at all. The idea was that there was no real vehicle at the time (1980s) that could accommodate readersâ€™ need for simple reviews done in volume. For example, as has been mentioned, do genre readers get a fair shake from traditional review mediums when trying to find whether Genre Writerâ€™s X book is better than her Y book or Z book? Well, with 100 reviews, we could run the gamut from Updike to Collins and follow any writerâ€™s career. Were we considered low-brow by the gatekeepers of the traditional review world? Of course. However, as an avid reader of the New York Review of Books at the time, I felt there should definitely be a place for both. After all, reading is essential to the health of a culture (or whatever the hell our OJ/Brittany/Paris marketing media madness mess is). The book industry itself is not so choosy. They loved the fact that we reviewed so many of their hard-to-get-reviewed books and sent them to us by the truckloads and were later more than happy to blurb us on their covers.</p>
<p>So, where did we get our reviewers from? How do you pay for this kind of writing army? Well, it was an eclectic bunch of book lovers from a variety of walks of life (I remember a local judge, in particular, who was quite prolific). They worked for the free book and the chance to work their own literary writing muscle. In many ways they were the precursors to the better-of-the-lot Amazon reviewers. Some of them were quite good; extremely literate folks with perceptive knowledge of the topics and writers, for both non-fiction and fiction. Others, less so, but with fixing on our end, made useful for the job of informing a potential reader.</p>
<p>Before Amazon and bloggers there was simply no real viable way to obtain any opinion or information on the sheer volume of 175,000 books published every year. I know. I was there when 100 reviews every two months was considered heresy and insane. And in many ways, it was. Every month was a small financial miracle that the printer got paid. A few key publisher/advertisers, more or less, kept the boat afloat. Too bad, we really did reach out to that reader mentioned in this piece that was forgotten about by the more elitist reviewing outlets. Our readers loved us and we, unfortunately, put out a piss-poor product â€“ visually and, ultimately, editorially &#8212; suppressed by the sheer gravity of poverty surrounding the operation and magnitude of the task (a staff of two or three part-timers for 50 books a month versus, say, the sizable paid professional staff and freelance budget of the LATBR). But it was an early water cooler for a book loving collection of people. And for that, if for nothing else, I tip my hat in memory of its long ago demise. Even in its hobbled state of being (for more than two decades I believe), it was better for the reading world that it existed than had it never existed. And the same goes for all of those people out there now blogging and reviewing and talking about books. Shoot your TV and donâ€™t look back. And donâ€™t worry about what the LATBR does. The promulgation of literacy may be the only thing that saves our silly culture. You are in that forefront. Do it with passion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/stop-your-sobbing/comment-page-1/#comment-166685</link>
		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now let&#039;s not be too hasty here...I do enjoy a good dose of snobbery (g). And intellectual elitism. Give me smart over just about anything.  But the snobbery in fiction goes both ways -- I happen to believe that it&#039;s wrong to judge a reader by the book in his or her hand.  I also believe that the book world would do itself a great service by recognizing that most readers are far more diverse than they seem.

While I absolutely agree that critics like Wasserman should be heard (and that his bosses at the LAT seemed to be fine with what he was doing), I gave up on the LATBR during his tenure. Every week, it was like reading paint drying on the wall. Very few female voices were represented, the fiction reviewed struck me as godawful dull, and I swear, if there was a new book about the &quot;real&quot; Shakespeare, it was reviwed with almost absurd reverence. Not only did I see nothing of me in that section, I saw only a small section of my community.

I also think, somewhat, that Wasserman failed his successor (David Ulin). The former left just as it became clear that newspapers were going to be forced to fight for their audience; taking the attitude that stagnant numbers were not worrisome lead to what has to be the most ridiculous compromise for a book review section ever. 

I think a newspaper should reflect the community it serves. It is unfortunate that economics drive the news business, but I imagine that has always been the case. The good news is that there is a place for thoughtful, in-depth reviews of all types. Many places. As Wasserman noted, the New York Review of Books maintains an apparently profitable print presence. The Internet has brought together all levels of literary discussion. 

This is why I say it&#039;s time for these critics to stop hand-wringing and start coming up with action plans. Romance readers stopped worrying about the lack of newspaper reviews a long time ago; they&#039;ve largely moved to online community. Science fiction readers maybe made the shift a little earlier. Same for mystery. For each of the major genres, you can find discussion ranging from the superficial to the well-considered.

Same goes for literary fiction. It is through the online community that I&#039;ve discovered many great books across the fiction spectrum (and I&#039;ve been seduced and disappointed by more than a few...but at least I was enticed enough to give those books a shot). I cannot say the same thing for the LATBR -- given the fact that I was born reading (or close enough for government work), this is a sad statement about my hometown paper. I am exactly the reader that Wasserman says he was trying to reach. I know many more readers like me. No connection was made!

And, oh yes, you touched on one of my favorite things about  this world. Genre fiction very often pays the bills for other, less commercial types of fiction. This is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now let&#8217;s not be too hasty here&#8230;I do enjoy a good dose of snobbery (g). And intellectual elitism. Give me smart over just about anything.  But the snobbery in fiction goes both ways &#8212; I happen to believe that it&#8217;s wrong to judge a reader by the book in his or her hand.  I also believe that the book world would do itself a great service by recognizing that most readers are far more diverse than they seem.</p>
<p>While I absolutely agree that critics like Wasserman should be heard (and that his bosses at the LAT seemed to be fine with what he was doing), I gave up on the LATBR during his tenure. Every week, it was like reading paint drying on the wall. Very few female voices were represented, the fiction reviewed struck me as godawful dull, and I swear, if there was a new book about the &#8220;real&#8221; Shakespeare, it was reviwed with almost absurd reverence. Not only did I see nothing of me in that section, I saw only a small section of my community.</p>
<p>I also think, somewhat, that Wasserman failed his successor (David Ulin). The former left just as it became clear that newspapers were going to be forced to fight for their audience; taking the attitude that stagnant numbers were not worrisome lead to what has to be the most ridiculous compromise for a book review section ever. </p>
<p>I think a newspaper should reflect the community it serves. It is unfortunate that economics drive the news business, but I imagine that has always been the case. The good news is that there is a place for thoughtful, in-depth reviews of all types. Many places. As Wasserman noted, the New York Review of Books maintains an apparently profitable print presence. The Internet has brought together all levels of literary discussion. </p>
<p>This is why I say it&#8217;s time for these critics to stop hand-wringing and start coming up with action plans. Romance readers stopped worrying about the lack of newspaper reviews a long time ago; they&#8217;ve largely moved to online community. Science fiction readers maybe made the shift a little earlier. Same for mystery. For each of the major genres, you can find discussion ranging from the superficial to the well-considered.</p>
<p>Same goes for literary fiction. It is through the online community that I&#8217;ve discovered many great books across the fiction spectrum (and I&#8217;ve been seduced and disappointed by more than a few&#8230;but at least I was enticed enough to give those books a shot). I cannot say the same thing for the LATBR &#8212; given the fact that I was born reading (or close enough for government work), this is a sad statement about my hometown paper. I am exactly the reader that Wasserman says he was trying to reach. I know many more readers like me. No connection was made!</p>
<p>And, oh yes, you touched on one of my favorite things about  this world. Genre fiction very often pays the bills for other, less commercial types of fiction. This is good.</p>
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		<title>By: more links &#171; The YA YA YAs</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/stop-your-sobbing/comment-page-1/#comment-166684</link>
		<dc:creator>more links &#171; The YA YA YAs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kassia Krozser&#8217;s must-read take on why newspaper book review sections are really failing. (Choice bits: &#8220;&#8230;sportswriting is often more compelling and emotionally engaging than literary criticism,&#8221; and &#8220;Writing about books should not inspire boredom, it should inspire someone to buy and read books.&#8221;) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  I don&#039;t agree with it, but you have some good points.  Snobbery isn&#039;t positive, of course.  The problem is that snobbery isn&#039;t exactly what Wasserman and people feel like they&#039;re engaging in.  Like you, they just want to make sure that they have a place that their voices can be heard.  Some of it is maintaining power, sure.  If you had a section in a newspaper where you could be heard you&#039;d want to keep it around. But some of it is also the feeling that we really, truly are overrun by less-complex media on a daily basis, so why can&#039;t there be a place for in-depth analysis?  Does everything have to be marketing based and economically successful to be worthy?  When we equate economics to success or worthiness, isn&#039;t that the same error as equating a book review with worthiness, taking the invisible hand of the market place&#039;s word for it over a reviewers?   

 I read the kind of books I suppose Wasserman reviews, but I work in a publishing house that produces the kind of books more in line with your Danielle Steel readers.  Both are fine, and I seriously doubt Wasserman wants to banish the &#039;genre&#039; (for lack of a better word) readers altogether.  For instance, he&#039;s not proposing that newspapers are used as tools to STOP books like Harlequin&#039;s.  However, those who enjoy &#039;popular&#039; books like the genres continually attack folks like Wasserman, and with a vehemence that is a little bizarre.  They are saying &#039;Let us have what we want,&#039; but rarely, &#039;You keep yours and I&#039;ll keep mine.&#039;  So what if book critics talk about less popular, more &#039;literary&#039; books in their reviews?  The commercial books get the money, they get their place on the list.  Both parties get what they want.  

Wasserman did have a good point.  The truly snobby thing would be for critics to not put 100% of themselves into their work, to write less complex, nuanced pieces just because they figure nobody will &#039;get it.&#039;  Snobbery is something that gets dredged up when people use a certain language often associated with &#039;intellectualism.&#039;  Whether or not they are intelligent is beside the point.  What is really germane is that people who don&#039;t like that language continually besiege it.  Why is that?  It may not be better, but let it stand as it is, just as we let Brittany and Barry Bonds stand, though without that same level of outrage that &#039;intellectuals&#039; get.  We let a lot of things go in this country, but beware that person who dares to stand up and say, &quot;I want something that&#039;s a bit more complex than Harlequin Presents, and here&#039;s what&#039;s caught my eye;  some of you may like it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  I don&#8217;t agree with it, but you have some good points.  Snobbery isn&#8217;t positive, of course.  The problem is that snobbery isn&#8217;t exactly what Wasserman and people feel like they&#8217;re engaging in.  Like you, they just want to make sure that they have a place that their voices can be heard.  Some of it is maintaining power, sure.  If you had a section in a newspaper where you could be heard you&#8217;d want to keep it around. But some of it is also the feeling that we really, truly are overrun by less-complex media on a daily basis, so why can&#8217;t there be a place for in-depth analysis?  Does everything have to be marketing based and economically successful to be worthy?  When we equate economics to success or worthiness, isn&#8217;t that the same error as equating a book review with worthiness, taking the invisible hand of the market place&#8217;s word for it over a reviewers?   </p>
<p> I read the kind of books I suppose Wasserman reviews, but I work in a publishing house that produces the kind of books more in line with your Danielle Steel readers.  Both are fine, and I seriously doubt Wasserman wants to banish the &#8216;genre&#8217; (for lack of a better word) readers altogether.  For instance, he&#8217;s not proposing that newspapers are used as tools to STOP books like Harlequin&#8217;s.  However, those who enjoy &#8216;popular&#8217; books like the genres continually attack folks like Wasserman, and with a vehemence that is a little bizarre.  They are saying &#8216;Let us have what we want,&#8217; but rarely, &#8216;You keep yours and I&#8217;ll keep mine.&#8217;  So what if book critics talk about less popular, more &#8216;literary&#8217; books in their reviews?  The commercial books get the money, they get their place on the list.  Both parties get what they want.  </p>
<p>Wasserman did have a good point.  The truly snobby thing would be for critics to not put 100% of themselves into their work, to write less complex, nuanced pieces just because they figure nobody will &#8216;get it.&#8217;  Snobbery is something that gets dredged up when people use a certain language often associated with &#8216;intellectualism.&#8217;  Whether or not they are intelligent is beside the point.  What is really germane is that people who don&#8217;t like that language continually besiege it.  Why is that?  It may not be better, but let it stand as it is, just as we let Brittany and Barry Bonds stand, though without that same level of outrage that &#8216;intellectuals&#8217; get.  We let a lot of things go in this country, but beware that person who dares to stand up and say, &#8220;I want something that&#8217;s a bit more complex than Harlequin Presents, and here&#8217;s what&#8217;s caught my eye;  some of you may like it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: eNotes Book Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; F. Scott Fitzgerald is No Picnic Either&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>eNotes Book Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; F. Scott Fitzgerald is No Picnic Either&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Edward Champion&#8217;s Return of the Reluctant &#187; Roundup</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/stop-your-sobbing/comment-page-1/#comment-166674</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Champion&#8217;s Return of the Reluctant &#187; Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: KathyF</title>
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		<dc:creator>KathyF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Not since B.R. Myers&#039; Manifesto have book reviewers been taken to task so soundly. Good job.</description>
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		<title>By: Kassia</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/stop-your-sobbing/comment-page-1/#comment-166670</link>
		<dc:creator>Kassia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always good when my crankiness is so well-received! I swore that the next time I saw an article like the one by Wasserman, I&#039;d use this title. Who knew it would be the very next day?

David, thanks for the change comment. It helped when I had a showdown with a parking meter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always good when my crankiness is so well-received! I swore that the next time I saw an article like the one by Wasserman, I&#8217;d use this title. Who knew it would be the very next day?</p>
<p>David, thanks for the change comment. It helped when I had a showdown with a parking meter.</p>
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		<title>By: katemoss</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My feeling on book reviews is that most readers only see reviews in the form of blurbs on book covers themselves. Alternatively, they may see them online if they buy through sites like Amazon or BNN. As a reader and writer, I&#039;ve never relied on the newspaper for book news, which partially reflects the generation to which I belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feeling on book reviews is that most readers only see reviews in the form of blurbs on book covers themselves. Alternatively, they may see them online if they buy through sites like Amazon or BNN. As a reader and writer, I&#8217;ve never relied on the newspaper for book news, which partially reflects the generation to which I belong.</p>
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