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		<title>By: Nicola Griffith</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166364</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do encounter any examples, please let me know.  Let me know how you like the books, too, if you&#039;re so inclined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do encounter any examples, please let me know.  Let me know how you like the books, too, if you&#8217;re so inclined.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166361</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You probably know where I&#039;m going to be coming from where this is concerned.  How far can you change the first person narrative voice and still have the reader recognise the &#039;speaker&#039; as the same individual?  This is something I&#039;ve simply never thought about mainly because I don&#039;t ever remember finding an example so now I&#039;m going to have to go away and read your books (no hardship there, I suspect) and do some thinking.  Thank you for this.  What is there better than being stimulated in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably know where I&#8217;m going to be coming from where this is concerned.  How far can you change the first person narrative voice and still have the reader recognise the &#8216;speaker&#8217; as the same individual?  This is something I&#8217;ve simply never thought about mainly because I don&#8217;t ever remember finding an example so now I&#8217;m going to have to go away and read your books (no hardship there, I suspect) and do some thinking.  Thank you for this.  What is there better than being stimulated in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166362</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You probably know where I&#039;m going to be coming from where this is concerned.  How far can you change the first person narrative voice and still have the reader recognise the &#039;speaker&#039; as the same individual?  This is something I&#039;ve simply never thought about mainly because I don&#039;t ever remember finding an example so now I&#039;m going to have to go away and read your books (no hardship there, I suspect) and do some thinking.  Thank you for this.  What is there better than being stimulated in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably know where I&#8217;m going to be coming from where this is concerned.  How far can you change the first person narrative voice and still have the reader recognise the &#8216;speaker&#8217; as the same individual?  This is something I&#8217;ve simply never thought about mainly because I don&#8217;t ever remember finding an example so now I&#8217;m going to have to go away and read your books (no hardship there, I suspect) and do some thinking.  Thank you for this.  What is there better than being stimulated in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicola Griffith</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166332</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything is possible, of course, it just depends how much work we&#039;re prepared to put into it /grin/.  Good luck with your books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything is possible, of course, it just depends how much work we&#8217;re prepared to put into it /grin/.  Good luck with your books.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitzi</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166326</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole,
First - great post - and now I have more books to add to the TBR pile. Yeah, thanks a bunch! ;-)

You ask if the first person narrator&#039;s voice can change throughout a series - I certainly hope so. I&#039;m writing such a series - where my protagonist has to grow as a person and learn who she really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole,<br />
First &#8211; great post &#8211; and now I have more books to add to the TBR pile. Yeah, thanks a bunch! <img src='http://booksquare.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You ask if the first person narrator&#8217;s voice can change throughout a series &#8211; I certainly hope so. I&#8217;m writing such a series &#8211; where my protagonist has to grow as a person and learn who she really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166304</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 05:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who decides which books get press (Harry Potter) and which get censored? After all, censorship is becoming America&#039;s favorite past-time. The US gov&#039;t (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like &quot;America Deceived&quot; from Amazon and Wikipedia, shut down Imus and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Free Speech forever (especially for books).
Last link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&amp;isbn=0-595-38523-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who decides which books get press (Harry Potter) and which get censored? After all, censorship is becoming America&#8217;s favorite past-time. The US gov&#8217;t (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like &#8220;America Deceived&#8221; from Amazon and Wikipedia, shut down Imus and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Free Speech forever (especially for books).<br />
Last link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):<br />
<a href="http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&#038;isbn=0-595-38523-0" rel="nofollow">http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&#038;isbn=0-595-38523-0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicola Griffith</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166282</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I diverged from Aud right from the first, when I encountered her in a dream.  I didn&#039;t know it was her, of course: I dreamt of a woman fast asleep in an empty apartment who is woken by a man pointing a gun at her head.  She surges off the floor and kills him with a flashlight.  Bam.  No hesitation.  Zero to sixty in less than two seconds.

I woke up thinking, Whoa!  What kind of woman could do that?  I&#039;ve trained in various martial arts, I&#039;ve studied and taught self-defense, but I know I&#039;m not capable of that kind of instant action.  I wondered how on earth this mystery dream woman got to be so capable.  It&#039;s taken me three books to find out.  I think I&#039;m really beginning to understand Aud.

So, no, she doesn&#039;t surprise me now.  However, she can occasionally infuriate me; she can be so obtuse.  (Dornan&#039;s voice, in Always, is at times perilously close to mine: &#039;Aud Torvingen you are deeply stupid.&#039;)  Some of the other characters, though--for example Kick, who is so new to me--do surprise me.

As for voice, first person is, hands down, more challenging.  For me.  I found it easy enough at the beginner level (my first short story, more than twenty years ago, was in first person--you can read it for free on my website: nicolagriffith.com/sunpath.pdf), but through three novels with a protagonist who changes and grows yet remains an unreliable narrator, that&#039;s hard.  Part of me is definitely looking forward to playing with third person for a while.  I feel the urge to experiment with a combination of epic and intimate.  It should be enormously challenging (which in this context = fun, at least for me).  But I don&#039;t want to let go of Aud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I diverged from Aud right from the first, when I encountered her in a dream.  I didn&#8217;t know it was her, of course: I dreamt of a woman fast asleep in an empty apartment who is woken by a man pointing a gun at her head.  She surges off the floor and kills him with a flashlight.  Bam.  No hesitation.  Zero to sixty in less than two seconds.</p>
<p>I woke up thinking, Whoa!  What kind of woman could do that?  I&#8217;ve trained in various martial arts, I&#8217;ve studied and taught self-defense, but I know I&#8217;m not capable of that kind of instant action.  I wondered how on earth this mystery dream woman got to be so capable.  It&#8217;s taken me three books to find out.  I think I&#8217;m really beginning to understand Aud.</p>
<p>So, no, she doesn&#8217;t surprise me now.  However, she can occasionally infuriate me; she can be so obtuse.  (Dornan&#8217;s voice, in Always, is at times perilously close to mine: &#8216;Aud Torvingen you are deeply stupid.&#8217;)  Some of the other characters, though&#8211;for example Kick, who is so new to me&#8211;do surprise me.</p>
<p>As for voice, first person is, hands down, more challenging.  For me.  I found it easy enough at the beginner level (my first short story, more than twenty years ago, was in first person&#8211;you can read it for free on my website: nicolagriffith.com/sunpath.pdf), but through three novels with a protagonist who changes and grows yet remains an unreliable narrator, that&#8217;s hard.  Part of me is definitely looking forward to playing with third person for a while.  I feel the urge to experiment with a combination of epic and intimate.  It should be enormously challenging (which in this context = fun, at least for me).  But I don&#8217;t want to let go of Aud.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166278</link>
		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two comments (so few for me!). First, of course, is that I&#039;m fascinated by the way you considered the evolution of Aud&#039;s voice. As a writer, I tend to think that this is an organic process. But of course the author and the character are living in different places. To carry this evolution across a single novel is amazing. To roll with the changes of a character over the course of multiple novels is beyond brilliant. 

Did you ever feel like you, the author, diverged from Aud? Did she ever move in a direction that made you sit back and say, &quot;Whoa!&quot;? Or maybe put another way, has Aud ever surprised you, the person who surely knows her best?

Second thought (told you that I&#039;m wordy). The first person versus third person is something I&#039;ve thought a lot about. I find that each offers a certain level of intimacy and openness (getting back to the hardboiled versus noir idea we played with at the &lt;a href=&quot;lbc.typepad.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LBC&lt;/a&gt;).  When it comes to first person, the narrator picks and chooses what to reveal and conceal while third persona narrators have different limitations. Which point-of-view do you find more challenging?

Yeah, an essay question if ever one existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments (so few for me!). First, of course, is that I&#8217;m fascinated by the way you considered the evolution of Aud&#8217;s voice. As a writer, I tend to think that this is an organic process. But of course the author and the character are living in different places. To carry this evolution across a single novel is amazing. To roll with the changes of a character over the course of multiple novels is beyond brilliant. </p>
<p>Did you ever feel like you, the author, diverged from Aud? Did she ever move in a direction that made you sit back and say, &#8220;Whoa!&#8221;? Or maybe put another way, has Aud ever surprised you, the person who surely knows her best?</p>
<p>Second thought (told you that I&#8217;m wordy). The first person versus third person is something I&#8217;ve thought a lot about. I find that each offers a certain level of intimacy and openness (getting back to the hardboiled versus noir idea we played with at the <a href="lbc.typepad.com" rel="nofollow">LBC</a>).  When it comes to first person, the narrator picks and chooses what to reveal and conceal while third persona narrators have different limitations. Which point-of-view do you find more challenging?</p>
<p>Yeah, an essay question if ever one existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookdwarf &#187; More Always Discussion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookdwarf &#187; More Always Discussion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] She also has a guest column at Booksquare. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nicola Griffith</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-166270</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do let me know what you think of Always when you read it. 

Slow River--haven&#039;t thought about that one for a while.  That was my first big experiment with voice --and the last time I used third person.  It&#039;ll be good to get back to that (though what is probably next on my plate is a huge historical novel).

Nicola</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do let me know what you think of Always when you read it. </p>
<p>Slow River&#8211;haven&#8217;t thought about that one for a while.  That was my first big experiment with voice &#8211;and the last time I used third person.  It&#8217;ll be good to get back to that (though what is probably next on my plate is a huge historical novel).</p>
<p>Nicola</p>
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