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		<dc:creator>a community of readers &#171; publishingtalk_dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of posts from Sara Lloyd over at the digitalist, and Kassia Krozser&#8217;s take on it all over at Booksquare &#8211; all of which I&#8217;d recommend to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of posts from Sara Lloyd over at the digitalist, and Kassia Krozser&#8217;s take on it all over at Booksquare &#8211; all of which I&#8217;d recommend to [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>Publishing Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; a community of readers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of posts from Sara Lloyd over at the digitalist, and Kassia Krozser&#8217;s take on it all over at Booksquare - all of which I&#8217;d recommend to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of posts from Sara Lloyd over at the digitalist, and Kassia Krozser&#8217;s take on it all over at Booksquare &#8211; all of which I&#8217;d recommend to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy,

I sympathize with your plight. Your husband got a fairly standard rejection letter. They&#039;re phrased to be polite. It&#039;s a tough, tough business (as is Hollywood), and finding an agent who connects with your work takes a lot of time and effort. All I can say is that you keep knocking on doors and listening to constructive feedback.

What&#039;s wrong for Agent A might be perfect for Agent Z.

It is about who you know, sure, but all business is about who you know. Writers make contacts by attending conferences, joining writer organizations, writing for publications, and contacting agents until you find the right one. As much as we as writers like to think we&#039;re alone out there, agencies get queried all the time and have to be selective. Or, if you&#039;d rather, they have to connect with a writer to represent him or her. 

Publishing is changing -- all entertainment media is changing -- but good writing tends to find a home. However, it&#039;s hard work. Believe me, I&#039;ve been there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,</p>
<p>I sympathize with your plight. Your husband got a fairly standard rejection letter. They&#8217;re phrased to be polite. It&#8217;s a tough, tough business (as is Hollywood), and finding an agent who connects with your work takes a lot of time and effort. All I can say is that you keep knocking on doors and listening to constructive feedback.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong for Agent A might be perfect for Agent Z.</p>
<p>It is about who you know, sure, but all business is about who you know. Writers make contacts by attending conferences, joining writer organizations, writing for publications, and contacting agents until you find the right one. As much as we as writers like to think we&#8217;re alone out there, agencies get queried all the time and have to be selective. Or, if you&#8217;d rather, they have to connect with a writer to represent him or her. </p>
<p>Publishing is changing &#8212; all entertainment media is changing &#8212; but good writing tends to find a home. However, it&#8217;s hard work. Believe me, I&#8217;ve been there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Pfau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy Pfau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow all of you sound so &#039;with it.&#039; I&#039;m the wife of a talented writer who&#039;s written several screenplays and is now trying his hand (no pun intended) at getting his first novel published. I found this blog because he just got his first rejection notice today and the little ditty rejection said:

&quot;Thank you for your query to our agency. Due to 
the current status of the publishing industry...and the selectivity that the market now demands, we regret that we cannot consider your material at this time.&quot;

....so....with that read --&quot;state of the publishing industry...&quot; made me google &quot;current state of the publishing industry&quot; and I found this blog. After reading all this stuff (very compelling) --I still think it&#039;s about who you know and of course how good you are as a writer. But do you have any additional perspective on my perspective? Do you think I&#039;m just a dolt or that I&#039;m correct? My husband is a published writer with recommendations by mainstream people in Hollywood and his book (fiction) is about Hollywood. I know that sounds really general, but I would really like to learn about your world as writers and try and help my husband. Thanks.
Oh and sir from Britain - don&#039;t put America down. We may have picture menus, but we also have INDIANA JONES, STAR WARS, and a zillion talented up and coming writers here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow all of you sound so &#8216;with it.&#8217; I&#8217;m the wife of a talented writer who&#8217;s written several screenplays and is now trying his hand (no pun intended) at getting his first novel published. I found this blog because he just got his first rejection notice today and the little ditty rejection said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thank you for your query to our agency. Due to<br />
the current status of the publishing industry&#8230;and the selectivity that the market now demands, we regret that we cannot consider your material at this time.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;.so&#8230;.with that read &#8211;&#8221;state of the publishing industry&#8230;&#8221; made me google &#8220;current state of the publishing industry&#8221; and I found this blog. After reading all this stuff (very compelling) &#8211;I still think it&#8217;s about who you know and of course how good you are as a writer. But do you have any additional perspective on my perspective? Do you think I&#8217;m just a dolt or that I&#8217;m correct? My husband is a published writer with recommendations by mainstream people in Hollywood and his book (fiction) is about Hollywood. I know that sounds really general, but I would really like to learn about your world as writers and try and help my husband. Thanks.<br />
Oh and sir from Britain &#8211; don&#8217;t put America down. We may have picture menus, but we also have INDIANA JONES, STAR WARS, and a zillion talented up and coming writers here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kassia Krozser:

Good article but, in my view, the subject is rather difficult from a human perspective. We live in a rapidly changing world whose parts, including the publishing business, are constantly being affected.

Publishing houses that donâ€™t sell books have to close down. Success is measured in mass appeal. Publishers must push what people wantâ€¦ which is_______________________________ or even convince readers of what they desire. 

Writers who want to be published must do the same.

Perhaps this didnâ€™t sound very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kassia Krozser:</p>
<p>Good article but, in my view, the subject is rather difficult from a human perspective. We live in a rapidly changing world whose parts, including the publishing business, are constantly being affected.</p>
<p>Publishing houses that donâ€™t sell books have to close down. Success is measured in mass appeal. Publishers must push what people wantâ€¦ which is_______________________________ or even convince readers of what they desire. </p>
<p>Writers who want to be published must do the same.</p>
<p>Perhaps this didnâ€™t sound very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BM, so many answers, so little time. I&#039;m going to start with your specific question about, uh, hold on, right
&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œEffective fictional blogging requires building and maintaining character from blog to Second Life. It requires Facebook, MySpace (unless youâ€™re clever enough to avoid it), Flickr, Twitter, and a dozen or more social networksâ€?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is a side effect of creating character. While some blogs are clearly acts of writing a novel using a blogging tool, there are also stories that are meant to blur lines between reality and fiction. In the case of Sophie (Alison Norrington&#039;s character), &quot;she&quot; was writing a first-person blog as if she were a real person. To be a real person in this day and age, you naturally leave an online trail. You participate in social media. It makes sense that a person her age would participate in these venues.

It&#039;s probably not wholly clear to participants in these social networking sites that Sophie is a fictional character, but once they get back to the blog, they will likely understand what&#039;s happening. Of course, there are examples of deeper fiction where the reality/fictional divide is not made as clear (nor is it intended to be). This gets somewhat into ARGS (Alternate Reality Games) where the goal is to be more immersive. 

As for the impact on the actual literary work, that gets back to the author&#039;s goals and the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BM, so many answers, so little time. I&#8217;m going to start with your specific question about, uh, hold on, right</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œEffective fictional blogging requires building and maintaining character from blog to Second Life. It requires Facebook, MySpace (unless youâ€™re clever enough to avoid it), Flickr, Twitter, and a dozen or more social networksâ€?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a side effect of creating character. While some blogs are clearly acts of writing a novel using a blogging tool, there are also stories that are meant to blur lines between reality and fiction. In the case of Sophie (Alison Norrington&#8217;s character), &#8220;she&#8221; was writing a first-person blog as if she were a real person. To be a real person in this day and age, you naturally leave an online trail. You participate in social media. It makes sense that a person her age would participate in these venues.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably not wholly clear to participants in these social networking sites that Sophie is a fictional character, but once they get back to the blog, they will likely understand what&#8217;s happening. Of course, there are examples of deeper fiction where the reality/fictional divide is not made as clear (nor is it intended to be). This gets somewhat into ARGS (Alternate Reality Games) where the goal is to be more immersive. </p>
<p>As for the impact on the actual literary work, that gets back to the author&#8217;s goals and the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris, some publishers do sell directly to retailers (and even customers), but that would have made for a less fun sentence. And of course the point is that generally publishers don&#039;t have a direct connection with readers. Which is what makes this changing paradigm so much harder -- it&#039;s not just changing business models, it&#039;s changing relationships.

I do believe that publishers are very good at distribution and marketing. I am less enthused these days about the editorial side, but mostly because I have seen a decline in quality control. Of course, I am picky, picky, picky. However, getting back to the distribution and marketing -- if you consider that publishers do get the product to their customers (distributors, retailers, etc) and they do very well when it comes to selling to those same customers. The mere act of getting physical (and virtual) product to customers is remarkably effort-intensive.

Do I think it can be better and more effective? Absolutely. This gets back to the paradigm shift. I also think it gets to today&#039;s ramble (you&#039;re not the only who thinks while typing!) about reading and social activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris, some publishers do sell directly to retailers (and even customers), but that would have made for a less fun sentence. And of course the point is that generally publishers don&#8217;t have a direct connection with readers. Which is what makes this changing paradigm so much harder &#8212; it&#8217;s not just changing business models, it&#8217;s changing relationships.</p>
<p>I do believe that publishers are very good at distribution and marketing. I am less enthused these days about the editorial side, but mostly because I have seen a decline in quality control. Of course, I am picky, picky, picky. However, getting back to the distribution and marketing &#8212; if you consider that publishers do get the product to their customers (distributors, retailers, etc) and they do very well when it comes to selling to those same customers. The mere act of getting physical (and virtual) product to customers is remarkably effort-intensive.</p>
<p>Do I think it can be better and more effective? Absolutely. This gets back to the paradigm shift. I also think it gets to today&#8217;s ramble (you&#8217;re not the only who thinks while typing!) about reading and social activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Gribble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Gribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the post, but wondered if it is really the case that while what writers do best is write, that what publishers do best is &#039;distribute and market&#039;.

This leaves to one side  editorial (in its brand form as well as actual, physical form) - key to the brands and identities of publishers/imprints and particularly so in the &#039;literary&#039; subset of the market. Actually, marketing and distribution are two things that a lot of publishers do badly, which is the clear subtext of your post anyway...

In addition, publishers do not simply sell to distributors (at least not in the UK). They sell to chains, bookshops, wholesalers, distributors and others, most of whom employ key buyers, all of whom spend serious amounts of time (well spent or not is another matter) trying to figure out what &#039;their&#039; (ha) book buyer will lift from &#039;their&#039; shelves or the shelves of their customers (independent book shops, for example, all of whom use wholesalers as well as regular distributors).

Just thinking while typing. Sorry it&#039;s a bit random. Love the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the post, but wondered if it is really the case that while what writers do best is write, that what publishers do best is &#8216;distribute and market&#8217;.</p>
<p>This leaves to one side  editorial (in its brand form as well as actual, physical form) &#8211; key to the brands and identities of publishers/imprints and particularly so in the &#8216;literary&#8217; subset of the market. Actually, marketing and distribution are two things that a lot of publishers do badly, which is the clear subtext of your post anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>In addition, publishers do not simply sell to distributors (at least not in the UK). They sell to chains, bookshops, wholesalers, distributors and others, most of whom employ key buyers, all of whom spend serious amounts of time (well spent or not is another matter) trying to figure out what &#8216;their&#8217; (ha) book buyer will lift from &#8216;their&#8217; shelves or the shelves of their customers (independent book shops, for example, all of whom use wholesalers as well as regular distributors).</p>
<p>Just thinking while typing. Sorry it&#8217;s a bit random. Love the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: BM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kassia,

First, I thought your post was very insightful over the future of the publishing business related to the online novel. The Internet has certainly made it easier for people to &#039;showcase&#039; their work, although if this work is actually seen by a wider net is another issue. And to be quite honest, having only recently become acquainted with the blogosphere and its domains, I was quite surprised to see that such things as &#039;online novels&#039; existed. I have to fully agree with you when you say that &quot;todayâ€™s youth really do read&quot; - and not only Harry Potter. I for one am part of this youth and the amount of time that I spend on the internet, reading short stories, articles and now blogs, is  an &quot;inordinate amount of time&quot;. 
However, since I am new to all this, I was wondering why is it that &quot;Effective fictional blogging requires building and maintaining character from blog to Second Life. It requires Facebook, MySpace (unless youâ€™re clever enough to avoid it), Flickr, Twitter, and a dozen or more social networks&quot;? Is this an aesthetic characteristic of online fiction or a way to raise its value of art? To me, this &#039;requirement&#039; seems to be a tool of promotion and marketing of the work and if that is the case, it is definitely a creative way to do it. But what deeper impact does it have on the actual literary work? Once again, I really enjoyed reading your post, as it enlightened me in several topics I know feel compelled to explore further into!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kassia,</p>
<p>First, I thought your post was very insightful over the future of the publishing business related to the online novel. The Internet has certainly made it easier for people to &#8216;showcase&#8217; their work, although if this work is actually seen by a wider net is another issue. And to be quite honest, having only recently become acquainted with the blogosphere and its domains, I was quite surprised to see that such things as &#8216;online novels&#8217; existed. I have to fully agree with you when you say that &#8220;todayâ€™s youth really do read&#8221; &#8211; and not only Harry Potter. I for one am part of this youth and the amount of time that I spend on the internet, reading short stories, articles and now blogs, is  an &#8220;inordinate amount of time&#8221;.<br />
However, since I am new to all this, I was wondering why is it that &#8220;Effective fictional blogging requires building and maintaining character from blog to Second Life. It requires Facebook, MySpace (unless youâ€™re clever enough to avoid it), Flickr, Twitter, and a dozen or more social networks&#8221;? Is this an aesthetic characteristic of online fiction or a way to raise its value of art? To me, this &#8216;requirement&#8217; seems to be a tool of promotion and marketing of the work and if that is the case, it is definitely a creative way to do it. But what deeper impact does it have on the actual literary work? Once again, I really enjoyed reading your post, as it enlightened me in several topics I know feel compelled to explore further into!</p>
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		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I do have to disagree. Both Peter Brantley and Tim O&#039;Reilly are working hard to find ways forward (and, frankly, I get lots of my ideas from both of them -- I wish I had that kind of brain!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I do have to disagree. Both Peter Brantley and Tim O&#8217;Reilly are working hard to find ways forward (and, frankly, I get lots of my ideas from both of them &#8212; I wish I had that kind of brain!).</p>
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