<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd"
	xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: You, Over There In The Choir! We&#8217;re Preaching</title>
	<atom:link href="http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/</link>
	<description>Dissecting the publishing industry with love and skepticism</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:52:27 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Bob Martinengo</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165817</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Martinengo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165817</guid>
		<description>A little history here. Markup languages go back a long way (the 60s!) and have more to do with information management than writing for readers. XML will help you find what you&#039;re looking for but wont make it a better read.

Here is an early (1995) attempt to convince writers and editors that &#039;structure&#039; was more than good plotting (note the cute title):

README.1ST: SGML for Writers and Editors, ISBN 0134327179

&quot;With this book, writers and editors can learn what they need to know to prepare and structure documents using the Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML), the new standard for electronic and database publishing. This book presents a non-technical overview of SGML in language that writers and editors can understand. It explains why SGML focuses on structure and essentially disregards formatting issues and shows how to define a document&#039;s structure, writing with SGML structure in mind.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little history here. Markup languages go back a long way (the 60s!) and have more to do with information management than writing for readers. XML will help you find what you&#8217;re looking for but wont make it a better read.</p>
<p>Here is an early (1995) attempt to convince writers and editors that &#8217;structure&#8217; was more than good plotting (note the cute title):</p>
<p>README.1ST: SGML for Writers and Editors, ISBN 0134327179</p>
<p>&#8220;With this book, writers and editors can learn what they need to know to prepare and structure documents using the Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML), the new standard for electronic and database publishing. This book presents a non-technical overview of SGML in language that writers and editors can understand. It explains why SGML focuses on structure and essentially disregards formatting issues and shows how to define a document&#8217;s structure, writing with SGML structure in mind.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: KR Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Take Two</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165720</link>
		<dc:creator>KR Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Take Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 12:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165720</guid>
		<description>[...] you&#8217;ll find a bit of chortling, some snark, and a good amount of thinking beyond the book. Kassia Krozser reports on the Book Industry Study Group&#8217;s &#8220;Making Information Pay 2007&#8243; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you&#8217;ll find a bit of chortling, some snark, and a good amount of thinking beyond the book. Kassia Krozser reports on the Book Industry Study Group&#8217;s &#8220;Making Information Pay 2007&#8243; [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Allen Noren</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165710</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Noren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165710</guid>
		<description>For those of you who are interested in attending the Tools of Change Conference (TOC), you can use the following 25% discount code that was extended to BISG attendees:

25% discount code: toc07bsg
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/toc/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who are interested in attending the Tools of Change Conference (TOC), you can use the following 25% discount code that was extended to BISG attendees:</p>
<p>25% discount code: toc07bsg<br />
<a href="http://conferences.oreillynet.com/toc/" rel="nofollow">http://conferences.oreillynet.com/toc/</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165704</link>
		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165704</guid>
		<description>Not saying that  XML is 2002 (though, in a way, it is!), but that it represents a standard for marking up content for reuse across multiple platforms. It is a great concept. It&#039;s also supposed to lead to universal content sharing (which Don mentioned in his comment). I grow very uncomfortable when industries try to create their own sets of &quot;standards&quot; without buy-in from the community at large.

I used the example of the music industry. They spent years and millions of dollars trying to develop a &quot;standard&quot; for delivering music to the masses. What prevailed -- because it worked universally -- is the MP3 format. Proprietary leads to closed systems. You must have the right software, platform, version, device, etc. I have yet to hear the publishing industry say that they&#039;re basing their own standards on open standards (like XML).

Personally, the only format I trust for longevity is text, but even I see that plain text is impractical for deploying content across formats. You really do need more in order to fulfill the mission...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not saying that  XML is 2002 (though, in a way, it is!), but that it represents a standard for marking up content for reuse across multiple platforms. It is a great concept. It&#8217;s also supposed to lead to universal content sharing (which Don mentioned in his comment). I grow very uncomfortable when industries try to create their own sets of &#8220;standards&#8221; without buy-in from the community at large.</p>
<p>I used the example of the music industry. They spent years and millions of dollars trying to develop a &#8220;standard&#8221; for delivering music to the masses. What prevailed &#8212; because it worked universally &#8212; is the MP3 format. Proprietary leads to closed systems. You must have the right software, platform, version, device, etc. I have yet to hear the publishing industry say that they&#8217;re basing their own standards on open standards (like XML).</p>
<p>Personally, the only format I trust for longevity is text, but even I see that plain text is impractical for deploying content across formats. You really do need more in order to fulfill the mission&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Claire Evans</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165703</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 15:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165703</guid>
		<description>Excuse me, but I am trying to play catch up here. Are you saying that XML is so 2002? If so, what&#039;s 2007 (not to mention 2012), and, generally speaking, how would you digitize in a way that transcends format, medium, device?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but I am trying to play catch up here. Are you saying that XML is so 2002? If so, what&#8217;s 2007 (not to mention 2012), and, generally speaking, how would you digitize in a way that transcends format, medium, device?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kirk Biglione</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165701</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Biglione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 06:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165701</guid>
		<description>Terence McKenna also said &quot;Business as usual is no longer on the menu&quot;. 

Unfortunately it looks like all too many in the industry are still ordering from old take-out menus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terence McKenna also said &#8220;Business as usual is no longer on the menu&#8221;. </p>
<p>Unfortunately it looks like all too many in the industry are still ordering from old take-out menus.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kassia Krozser</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165700</link>
		<dc:creator>Kassia Krozser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 04:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165700</guid>
		<description>I think I was in a hotel room that overlooked McGraw Hill once...

Oh right. Topic at hand. I&#039;m glad you mentioned the IDPF (say that three times fast). I don&#039;t suppose that the concept of &quot;text&quot; figured into the standards? Still the most universal format around. Remember the olden days when XML was going to standardize data formatting and/or retrieval/republishing? I imagine this is still a viable concept but one discussed among geeks more than conference attendees. Standardized mark-up was going to lead the way.

I am, as you can well imagine, leery of propietary &quot;standards&quot;. That is to say, I am leery of standards that are unique to an industry and not necessarily adopted across technologies. I do not know if that is the case here, but as a veteran of format wars, do, naturally, recall the multiple attempts by the music industry to establish standards on the general public.

Unfortunately, said public had already adopted its choice and the music industry realized that it was going to be harder than expected to impose its will on the people. Darn democracies!

So, yeah, I am completely in favor of a standard that works with the widest possible range of devices. From laptops to future inventions. 

Number two. Wow. Yes. Totally. Book is still relatively new to our species. Story? That&#039;s the ticket.

3? See Terence McKenna quote. Blew me away in 1992. Still makes sense now. Moreso than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was in a hotel room that overlooked McGraw Hill once&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh right. Topic at hand. I&#8217;m glad you mentioned the IDPF (say that three times fast). I don&#8217;t suppose that the concept of &#8220;text&#8221; figured into the standards? Still the most universal format around. Remember the olden days when XML was going to standardize data formatting and/or retrieval/republishing? I imagine this is still a viable concept but one discussed among geeks more than conference attendees. Standardized mark-up was going to lead the way.</p>
<p>I am, as you can well imagine, leery of propietary &#8220;standards&#8221;. That is to say, I am leery of standards that are unique to an industry and not necessarily adopted across technologies. I do not know if that is the case here, but as a veteran of format wars, do, naturally, recall the multiple attempts by the music industry to establish standards on the general public.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, said public had already adopted its choice and the music industry realized that it was going to be harder than expected to impose its will on the people. Darn democracies!</p>
<p>So, yeah, I am completely in favor of a standard that works with the widest possible range of devices. From laptops to future inventions. </p>
<p>Number two. Wow. Yes. Totally. Book is still relatively new to our species. Story? That&#8217;s the ticket.</p>
<p>3? See Terence McKenna quote. Blew me away in 1992. Still makes sense now. Moreso than ever.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Don Linn</title>
		<link>http://booksquare.com/you-over-there-in-the-choir-were-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-165696</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Linn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2007/05/13/2397/#comment-165696</guid>
		<description>While BISG was doing its thing, there was a similar meeting held by The International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF) at the McGraw Hill building that was preaching a similar message. 

Three big takeaways:
1) Standards for digital content files are very near completion, meaning that many different kinds of input files can be easily converted into one standard type of digital package, which can then be output in as many many different formats as there are devices. This will make the costs of conversion decrease dramatically, which should increase the amount of digital product available, which should, in turn, make it more attractive to consumers. You don&#039;t have to wait to figure out which device is going to prevail, just digitize your content now.
2) Don&#039;t assume that a satisfying &#039;book experience&#039; necessarily means &#039;like a book&#039;.
3) The rate of change is accelerating and is about to accelerate further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While BISG was doing its thing, there was a similar meeting held by The International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF) at the McGraw Hill building that was preaching a similar message. </p>
<p>Three big takeaways:<br />
1) Standards for digital content files are very near completion, meaning that many different kinds of input files can be easily converted into one standard type of digital package, which can then be output in as many many different formats as there are devices. This will make the costs of conversion decrease dramatically, which should increase the amount of digital product available, which should, in turn, make it more attractive to consumers. You don&#8217;t have to wait to figure out which device is going to prevail, just digitize your content now.<br />
2) Don&#8217;t assume that a satisfying &#8216;book experience&#8217; necessarily means &#8216;like a book&#8217;.<br />
3) The rate of change is accelerating and is about to accelerate further.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
