Comments on: The Glamorous Life? (Notes from the Indie Trenches) Part Two https://booksquare.com/the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&%23038;utm_campaign=the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two Dissecting the publishing industry with love and skepticism Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:14:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Gina Frangello https://booksquare.com/the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two/#comment-172127 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:14:46 +0000 http://booksquare.com/?p=3732#comment-172127 Deb, I think you’re correct that more e-books are selling in the pop fiction market than in the lit fic market. A friend of mine runs a multi-media company called Emerald Bay Books and their debut book was a thriller that has done very well online, without it having conventional distribution. I’m not sure how that works in terms of how readers find out about those titles, in lieu of the usual modes of promoting books with tours in such or the titles being in stores, but this title in particular had a technology theme and it seems that tech folks simply DID find out about it–presumably online–and they bought it. Which was very cool. Do you have a sense of how readers discovered your press’ titles? Was it through traditional review coverage? If the authors are not touring, and the books are not being widely reviewed, it can be hard for the public to find out about a book.

I’m also interested in Des’ experience. Your numbers are impressive! What’s your book called? Is it priced at the usual e-book price point? Sounds like you know a thing or two about spreading the word–again, how do you feel readers learned about the book, amid all the competition out there? You’re clearly doing something right!

I know some writers who have started permitting their work to be downloaded for free, and that can certainly bring in a lot of readers . . . and I’m not against that, in the model that finding and connecting with readers is a very core objective . . . but of course that’s a great model for a self-published writer, not for a book press that does need to stay financially afloat. I know people experimenting with that model now, though it’s not something I included in this survey, but it is an intriguing direction for writers in the future, no question.

Joe, I’d pay money to attend a book tour event where you insult people, ha! I’m surprised some marketing department hasn’t appropriated that concept and made it the gimmick of your tour!

Lance, I don’t know if you know Richard Nash, but you seem to have quite a beef with him . . . “ministry” and “do right by your children”–hmm, my goodness. Loving this charged rhetoric on my comments board–I feel like Fox News!

But you know, while it’s clear that we have immense personal differences in terms of where we assign “value,” your point that something clearly needs to change/give is well taken if we do ever want a more financially viable community among the indie/literary publishers. I would not want to see this “change” mean that lit/story/poetry writers all ultimately jump ship to crafting more commercial work (and I don’t believe that would ever happen; it’s just contrary to the inherent variance among people and why they create art), so the change would ideally emerge in the business model itself–distribution, marketing, etc.–we’re in an exciting time in this transition, and no doubt in 2 or 5 or 10 years, things will look quite different than they do today, for better or worse.

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By: des greene https://booksquare.com/the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two/#comment-172124 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:47:48 +0000 http://booksquare.com/?p=3732#comment-172124 Interesting analysis yet I think that the evaluation of the impact of ebooks is understated.
My own experience is that in a period of just over eight months there have been 3000 downloads of my work – readers I should never have hoped for otherwise.

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By: Lance C. https://booksquare.com/the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two/#comment-172123 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:42:13 +0000 http://booksquare.com/?p=3732#comment-172123 I’m struck by the notion that an industry niche — indie publishing — that wants to think it’s about “trailblazing new directions” seems so stuck to the tarbaby of the Depression-era business model you decry. On-line marketing and distribution would appear from outside to be the one business model that makes any possible sense for your product.

Back in the good old days, publishers did indeed put out some books they knew would be commercial failures. Those books might win Pulitzers or Nobels, be the toast of the critical establishment and add some luster to the imprint, but wouldn’t make money. What you forget to mention is those same publishers would produce dozens or hundreds of books that *would* make money, to subsidize the prestige products. While you’ve embraced the first part of this concept, you’ve neglected the second.

What you’re doing now simply isn’t working, by your own admission. Your products almost invariably fail to pay for themselves. Your companies exist on handouts and the willingness of your workers (the writers) to subsidize their own marketing. You rely almost exclusively on a sales channel (indie bookstores) that shrinks every month.

Yet you also have an asset — a small group of customers who care very deeply about your product. With all the relationship-building and couch-sleeping you talk about, I suspect you know who and where these people are. This suggests a niche audience tailor-made for direct on-line marketing and sales. You’re already in essence hand-selling to these people. Why not do it using tools that make economic sense in your situation, so you can pay your authors or buy a new sofa?

Deb Smith’s comments show that an indie publisher can do well by embracing new methods for connecting with its audience — and by dumping the methods that don’t work anymore.

If, however, you really enjoy flopping on the couches of strangers, paying for your own publishing work — it seems the only real difference between (to use Deb’s phrase) “lit-fic and niche book indies” and subsidy publishers is that the latter make a profit — and encountering your audience one-on-one, then no adjustment is necessary. You’ve made your choice.

If the notion that you should be recompensed for your labor is at all attractive to you, you may want to stop listening to Richard Nash. He’s running a ministry, not a business. It may be admirable, but if you want to do right by your children, it’s not a viable path. Your publishing house can’t do your authors or readers any good if it’s bankrupt.

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By: deb smith https://booksquare.com/the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two/#comment-172122 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:18:51 +0000 http://booksquare.com/?p=3732#comment-172122 My small press has a very different story on ebook sales. In the past year they’ve gone from being a negligible money maker to our dominant income by far. A lot depends on using the online retailers in a savvy way to gain attention and sales. Kindle owners are eager to try new authors; two weeks on the free list there has led to some substantial sales in both our ebook and print titles. God bless all the small indies who do most of their biz in traditional stores, but for Bell Bridge that has been a major uphill climb with little encouragement. Maybe it’s because we pub pop genre fiction and may not pass the indie bookseller sniff test? At any rate, the ebook readership is proving to be our biggest and best audience, by far. As for printing costs, we’ve gone almost entirely POD. (Our POD books are returnable, but they still don’t lure many booksellers). We don’t encourage authors to do the traditional promo stuff like signings and tours (though some authors love it and do it for fun) because we don’t see the results equal to the time and money to keep treading those old waters. I do think there’s far more radical change happening in the book biz than Gina’s sources report; if you look beyond the typical lit-fic and niche book indie to what’s happening with pop fiction presses, you’ll see a very different world.

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By: Joe Cottonwood https://booksquare.com/the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two/#comment-172120 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:41:22 +0000 http://booksquare.com/?p=3732#comment-172120 I’m 63 years old. I’ve had 9 books published going back to 1972, some with big publishers, some not, some well-received, some not. Until last year I’d never done a book tour – I’m not charismatic, plus I have an extraordinary ability to unintentionally insult people. So I stayed home and wrote. The result: You’ve never heard of me, right? As for that one book tour, last year I was invited to Italy to promote the reissue of a novel from 30 years ago. True to my style, I had a great time there and then insulted an Italian magistrate, who issued a warrant for my arrest should I ever set foot in Italy again. It’s a good thing I never book-toured the USA.

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By: Art edwards https://booksquare.com/the-glamorous-life-notes-from-the-indie-trenches-part-two/#comment-172118 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:47:42 +0000 http://booksquare.com/?p=3732#comment-172118 This speaks so much to my own writing and publishing experiences. Despite everything, it’s about being read, and about keeping hope alive for tomorrow.

For those of us who do it, what on earth could possibly replace it?

Art

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