Comments on: The Politics of Presentation https://booksquare.com/the-politics-of-presentation/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&%23038;utm_campaign=the-politics-of-presentation Dissecting the publishing industry with love and skepticism Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:38:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Booksquare https://booksquare.com/the-politics-of-presentation/#comment-52546 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:38:58 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/03/30/1164/#comment-52546 Rudy — Your Sierra Madre example was perfect. I would encounter the word in text and (being an autodidact) try to force it to fit the “rules” in my head. I wouldn’t get the flavor of the word, which in turn undermines my understanding. Part of this is me — I can’t “hear” other languages (I can read them). This is why I’ll never be more than a passably technical musician. It has also allowed my family to have much fun at my expense. Dictionaries are not the best source for sussing out secondary meanings or slang. However, good writing often saves the reader there!

I’m not sure what the answer is, and, given the number of languages spoken in Southern California alone (my neighborhood is strongly immigrant Armenian, as opposed to first-generation), I doubt there will ever be a solution that fits comfortably for everyone. I’m willing to experiment and see if it affects my perception of the work.

Also, Rudy is correct — the discussion at La Bloga is excellent. I strongly recommend reading what others have to say.

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By: daniel olivas https://booksquare.com/the-politics-of-presentation/#comment-52498 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:07:43 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/03/30/1164/#comment-52498 the one thing i’ve gotten out of this is that you two purchased my book. god bless the both of you! (i’ve gotten much more out of the discussion but i figure why not make a pinche joke.) peace out, as my son would say.

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By: Booksquare https://booksquare.com/the-politics-of-presentation/#comment-52470 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:53:47 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/03/30/1164/#comment-52470 Yes, as noted, I can see both sides as well. Oddly enough, I’m reading Lolita for my bookclub, and there are many French phrases rendered in italics (further reminding me of six wasted years!). Most I can pick up from the context, and I’m guessing that will be the case for Devil Talk (it arrives on Friday, so I’ll report back).

I’m glad the discussion has been adult — I think it’s a fine time to talk about code switching (yes, I’ve learned a new phrase and will be popping it into conversation as much as possible). Since this is the house style for your publisher, readers will also find themselves growing comfortable with the lack of visual cues (and that’s really all the italics are).

Now my inner autodidact will face new challenges…but we’ve survived so far together. I’m really glad your book is getting this kind of notice.

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By: RudyG https://booksquare.com/the-politics-of-presentation/#comment-52439 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:39:44 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/03/30/1164/#comment-52439 Unfamiliar with this site, I can’t assume anything about the Booksquare author’s ethnicity. But look, gringo, let me tell you … something.

The something I want to say is: consider my last sentence, above. If you read the word gringo, (as you point out) you can “get this on an intellectual level.” But that’s not all there is to Chicano or Hmong or whatever-Lit.

I’m no Umberto Eco, but when some people read “gringo”, it maybe produces a rise of the neck hairs. Why? Because they sense a subtle animosity or infuse it with my Otherness, being Chicano and all. They’re not certain, so let me rephrase it:

Look, gringo, let me tell you something.

You’re certain now, no?–I must be pissed. I must be Chicano or some Other, no? My italics emphasize animosity or my Otherness or the pronouncing of Other idiom. I’m not certain I could give you clarity about which of the three. There’s limits to what the writer wields with the written word.

It reminds me of the Treasure of Sierra Madre (which in my edition doesn’t italicize Spanish): ” I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabron (sic–cabrón) and ching’ tu madre!” When people jokingly speak these lines, they tend to stick in an accent, even to the English. But that’s based on their having seen the movie.

Does your “stubbornly monolingual gringo soul” get that same consistent perception of accent from reading B.Traven’s Treasure? Not without having seen the movie (or heard others use the lines, I’d contend.

To the author and from a reader’s perspective, how important is it to get that accent into the monolingual reader’s head? Olivas in Devil Talk and La Bloga contributing author Manuel Ramos feel it’s not essential and having opposing views they contributed at La Bloga. I’m crass enough to say go to the site, read those, add your own.

Once the monolinguals become bi, italics won’t be needed (except for emphasis!). That’s not today.

Glad I could help “pinpoint your discomfort”. I’d could go on about more, but I always do, so I won’t.

Rudy Ch. Garcia

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By: daniel olivas https://booksquare.com/the-politics-of-presentation/#comment-52387 Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:59:32 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/03/30/1164/#comment-52387 i can see both sides to this argument even though i’ve chosen one side. this discussion has been picked up by several fine blogs and i’ve been enjoying the give-and-take (it’s been intelligent, thought-provoking and respectful…things we don’t see enough of these days). code-switching (as professors of language call it) has become so common in parts of the united states that very idea of using italics seems, well, alien to certain folks. with respect to confusing the reader, i assume he or she is intelligent and will get it or figure out a way to get it (ask a friend, check out a spanish/english dictionary). but as my son would say, it’s all good.

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