Comments on: We, Too, Get Cranky Around Birthday Time https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&%23038;utm_campaign=we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time Dissecting the publishing industry with love and skepticism Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:41:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Booksquare https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-97216 Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:41:42 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-97216 Uh, thanks for the comment — you’re right, it’s not used correctly in the traditional sense. But since I’m pretty happy with it (and not likely to go back and rework and old post), I’ll just take it under advisement.

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By: Meg https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-97215 Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:22:06 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-97215 You are misusing “beg the question.” Look it up.

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By: Booksquare https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-89421 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:31:32 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-89421 Pam, you’re right, to a point. I don’t consider the Washingtonienne book to be chicklit. This book was clearly written to make a fast buck after a scandal — and I read her original blog stuff (because I was curious) and didn’t find her style to be particularly engaging. Maybe she writes better when it comes to fiction, but I suspected not.

As far as The Devil Wears Prada, comments from friends indicated that it was interesting from a gossip perspective, but not especially satisfying as a book. I have a vaguely uncomfortable feeling when it comes to people being so obvious in their depictions of real people — this is an unfortunate bias I have, and maybe I’m wrong about the work.

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By: Pam https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-89370 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:58:45 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-89370 t, in my opinion, chicklit as much as they are opportunistic. I am just going to persist in my belief that the writing in each is as bad as I imagine, and not bother reading them. See this is the key problem with Chick lit, and you are even guilty of it yourself here. You have judge that these books are bad and opportunistic, without reading either one! This is what happens across the board with Chick Lit in general. The good books suffer because people assume that all chick lit books are like the one or two they've read or heard about that are poor examples of the genre.]]> I know that you are a strong advocate for Chick lit, but something in your post stuck out,

The two so-called chicklit books that you cited aren’t, in my opinion, chicklit as much as they are opportunistic. I am just going to persist in my belief that the writing in each is as bad as I imagine, and not bother reading them.

See this is the key problem with Chick lit, and you are even guilty of it yourself here. You have judge that these books are bad and opportunistic, without reading either one! This is what happens across the board with Chick Lit in general. The good books suffer because people assume that all chick lit books are like the one or two they’ve read or heard about that are poor examples of the genre.

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By: Carrie https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-89066 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:45:44 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-89066 — Whoa, stop the presses- you mean people who blog talk about issues that affect themselves? OMG NO WAY!!

Like, oh-MY-god! I cannot believe the NYTBR, like, doesn’t take women seriously. Like, that is soooo unfair. This is so like suffrage and stuff. I mean discussion of the contents of my stomach contents and my datebook are, like, so gritty and interesting. Here, wait, I’ll tell you about all the men I’ve had sex with and you’ll see. I mean, like, chic-lit, is, like totally the representation of the modern,like, liberated, female. I mean, like, haven’t these guys, like, seen sex and the city? I have to be noticed! If not I’ll just die.

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By: Booksquare https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-88572 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:09:03 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-88572 Jim – I have carefully considered your question, so much so that I went to the vast Booksquare music collection. After carefully reviewing the categories of “music I like” and “music I don’t like” (the latter being something subject to change as my tastes and moods change), I realize I do not have an appropriate context for emo. Thus, I cannot compare it to fiction. I’m sorry.

However, I have an analogy that might work just a well: chicklit is to literary fiction as yoga is to running. Some people practice both equally, finding that each form of exercise/meditation offers something beneficial; others practice one or the other at various points, but the two practices don’t necessarily overlap, the reasons remain the same; others practice one or the other exclusively and believe their practice is superior to the other. These people often avoid chances to widen their horizons or re-examine their belief system.

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By: Saundra https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-88491 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:27:02 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-88491 m suggesting that dressing self-serving marketing up as anger on behalf of women is insulting to female authors producing books worthy of interest by the NYT.</i> Whoa, stop the presses- you mean people who blog talk about issues that affect themselves? OMG NO WAY!! <i> The essay, if it can be called that, is nothing but a transparent attempt to promote a book that was never going to be noticed by the NYT for good reason.</i> And you would know that because you read it?]]> I’m suggesting that dressing self-serving marketing up as anger on behalf of women is insulting to female authors producing books worthy of interest by the NYT.

Whoa, stop the presses- you mean people who blog talk about issues that affect themselves? OMG NO WAY!!

The essay, if it can be called that, is nothing but a transparent attempt to promote a book that was never going to be noticed by the NYT for good reason.

And you would know that because you read it?

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By: KathyF https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-88390 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:46:35 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-88390 t turn around without seeing a review or advertisement in some magazine or newspaper for one of chick-lit’s interchangable tales of womanhood which bear little resemblence to the experiences of a living breathing human female." Can anyone name another fiction genre, including "quality" literary fiction, that actually DOES bear a resemblance to the experiences of living breathing human females? (In fact, even some biographies bear no resemblance to the living breathing human females they're supposed to resemble. Hillary Clinton comes to mind.) Like it or don't. But don't hold chick-lit to higher standards than other forms of fiction.]]> I can’t help but react to this (on-topic at last!) comment: “I can’t turn around without seeing a review or advertisement in some magazine or newspaper for one of chick-lit’s interchangable tales of womanhood which bear little resemblence to the experiences of a living breathing human female.”

Can anyone name another fiction genre, including “quality” literary fiction, that actually DOES bear a resemblance to the experiences of living breathing human females?

(In fact, even some biographies bear no resemblance to the living breathing human females they’re supposed to resemble. Hillary Clinton comes to mind.)

Like it or don’t. But don’t hold chick-lit to higher standards than other forms of fiction.

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By: Booksquare https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-88389 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:14:45 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-88389 Dee, I’m going to give you a bit of slack because you’re clearly not a regular reader of this blog. If you were, you’d realize that Lauren’s essay was written after long discussions on the topic at hand. It came about because we both have a very particular interest in this topic. You came in late to the game and clearly missed what went before.

You don’t like chicklit however it’s defined (and, in my mind, it remains a highly elastic concept). That’s fine. You don’t have to read it, like it, condone it, accept it, or acknowledge it. But the fact is that it is a major market force, and a serious look at modern fiction needs to acknowledge its existence. Just as a serious look at modern fiction needs to acknowledge and discuss romance, mystery, science fiction, fantasy, Westerns, literary, and other types of fiction. Labels are marketing concepts.

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By: Dee J https://booksquare.com/we-too-get-cranky-around-birthday-time/#comment-88238 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:33:53 +0000 http://www.booksquare.com/archives/2005/07/08/1454/#comment-88238 I’m suggesting that dressing self-serving marketing up as anger on behalf of women is insulting to female authors producing books worthy of interest by the NYT. The essay, if it can be called that, is nothing but a transparent attempt to promote a book that was never going to be noticed by the NYT for good reason.

Yes women don’t get the literary attention they deserve, but chick-lit doesn’t need or deserve more attention. It gets plenty. Bemoaning the lack of promotion outlets for female authors in the same breath as the lack of attention paid to chick-lit is dishonest. Female authors and readers of women’s fiction deserve better.

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